Town or Fort

[Lord Rufus]

There seem to be a couple of options for getting a Wish Refugees community going in-game. The devs have suggested that you can build a guild town with permission from a GM so that all our houses could be close together and we would have room to expand. We would be able to chose whether to have this town in the safe land of the starting kingdom or whether to build it in the disputed areas (or possibly even in the neutral lands). The other alternative is to go for a fortress and then build the houses near that, allowing us to get involved with the larger politics of the world but of course increasing the risk of losing both houses and fortress. Anyone having any thoughts on houses, towns, forts and kingdoms, please post away :)

[Sealgair]

From reading everyone elses posts I get the feeling we are a mixed bunch who want to try our hand at everything (exploring, fighting, crafting, politics). We are not a regimented military organisation, so I think that rules out building too near the front where you constantly have to fight to defend your property. But we'd also want to get away from the densely populated starting kingdom where you have limited resources for too many people. Personally, I like the idea of the guild getting involved in politics (as in having our own Barony/County/etc), so how about we find a vacant Barony/County, perhaps build our houses in the Baronial/County town where they'd be safer, and claim or build enough fortresses in the area so we can elect our own Baron/Count/Duke. The houses would be safer in the town as fortresses could fall to the enemy more easily and more often. How far away we get from the safe zone depends on everyone's willingness to PvP and on how many neighbours we can count on to help us when 100 of the enemy drop in for tea, but I think we should be good for at least our own Barony to play with. Personally, I don't want to spend too much time PvPing, I'd much rather explore, craft, build, manage and only fight in defence of our and our allies' lands.

It may be a good idea to make a few allies so we can divide up territory between guilds without treading on each others toes but still be able to defend it in greater numbers through a network of allied city-states. Sorry, I'm getting carried away with the idea of Kingdom-bulding, perhaps people would just prefer to have the guild as friends to hang around and group with. Any thoughts?

[Ramini]

How about we ally with these other Wish guilds of the light side and claim a large area, that way we can use some of the more warrior like guilds as a kind of human shield. If archers are good I can also Single handedly defend the fortress from attack as I am a very good shot in the fps games.
I am much in favour of attempting to use another area or guild as a human barrier to protect us but I myself will spend most of my time behind enemy lines.

[Sealgair]

If we asked a powerful warrior guild to act as a protective buffer we'd have to offer them tangible benefits in return for their protection. Allegiance? (maybe ok, depending on what our obligation to them would be). Gold? not so good. It may work if we offer them support troops when they go into enemy territory (voluntary) and reinforcements when they have to defend (obligatory).

But trying to guess where to set up base in a specific place in relation to the enemy is going to be impossible, at least for the first few months, as the front line will change dramatically from day to day until most of the land is settled or claimed. At the beginning we'll just see raiding parties attacking here there and everywhere. And it also depends on the whole concept of "formally declared war" and "warzones" which I don't quite get just yet.

Perhaps the best course of action would be to settle a large area together with two or three allied guilds (safety in numbers and all that) and agree to help each other in conquest and defence.

PS: Ramini, what did you mean you'll spend most of your time "behind enemy lines"? As in carrying out search and destroy missions or raiding parties?

[Ramini]

Well I am planning to spend most of my time in DnL in the wilderness. Therefore I will probably spend most of my time running between enemy and a safe town. I intend to camp out in the woods ambushing enemies from the trees and setting traps if possible, others may join me at my mobile base but I intend to do a bit of Guerilla warfare :)
As for what can we give them.... Who said we give them anything or even tell them? I just mean we take over a fortress with another stronger guilds fortress between us and the enemy.

[Sealgair]

As for what can we give them.... Who said we give them anything or even tell them? I just mean we take over a fortress with another stronger guilds fortress between us and the enemy.

mmm...devious you are.

[Lord Rufus]

Hehe, sounds like a plan. I reckon if we get out there and land-grab early, later arrivals will build their forts between us and the enemy :)

[Giskard]

I don't think it really matters if it will be fortress or town. As mixed as we are we just need some meeting place/starting point/headquarters. Whatever you want to call it.
Personaly I would prefer it to be in disputed area and have good relationship with neighbours, so that we can have good control over our area.

Further down the game, its kinda appealing to be actively involved in politics.
However I have some doubts as to how many people will be needed to effectively run and defend at least a barony. Not sure if we can handle that without direct alliance to some other guild(s).

[A1Learjet]

Well once more depending on how many guild memebers we have by start (actively involved) should really determine our starting location,My character will be there to support in as many rolls as need be,and depending on any +'s or -'s to a Light location or a neutral location as a start point I would like to see our guild getting involved in a mixture of rolls from the start, and to do that we would have to IMHO be in a non-border start point.But if we have a large base and allied guilds the posibility of starting on a border area is intreging to me.As I as well intend to press the Light into the areas of Chaos

[Lord Rufus]

It's a difficult one - if we build our town too near the front, we'll always be re-building it as it gets trashed by the enemy but if we build it too far back,we'll either be spending all our time away from home or else have a long walk to the front lines. Perhaps one of the "rapid-transit systems" would allow us to have a nice relaxed town back near the starting kingdom but use dragons, balloons, etc. to get immediately to the front line for a bit of dark-bashing. That way the fort could be at either location depending whether we want to be defending it all the time or whether it's more important as a bargaining chip in our political ambitions. I see the forts near the starting kingdom as being important in the baronies because of their relative stability.

We're probably going to have to wait until launch (or stress testing if we're lucky enough to be involved) before we can know exactly how these details will work but I there is no harm in thinking these things over now.

[Lord Rufus]

Update: I have approached The Stars of Aesir (the other ex-Wish guild) about an alliance as we may as well start as we wish to go on. Obviously if Riders of the Wind starts up (and we don't merge) then that will be another probable ally for our political ambitions.

[Grillmonkey]

I think a fortress with houses near by is a good idea, and with 2 allies we should have no problem building on the front lines.. also one of my chars is going to be a dwarfe crafter, and I think I read something about others doing the same... so supplies should not be too big a problem.

[Ramini]

*cough* If my guild is formed light its 3 allies. However if we are dark you will get atacked every day :P

[Giskard]

*cough* If my guild is formed light its 3 allies. However if we are dark you will get atacked every day :P

either way is good. Just bring it on! :D

[Grillmonkey]

Just because you will attack every day doesn't mean that we will have anything to fear ;P

lol love the montey pythons quote sealgair

[Sealgair]

*cough* If my guild is formed light its 3 allies. However if we are dark you will get atacked every day :P

Your 6 strong army will attack us? We have nothing to fear, all 23 of us :rolleyes: will barricade ourselves in our fortress and taunt you:

"You don't frighten us, pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you! I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!"

[Lord Rufus]

Agreed the alliance with Stars of Aesir and added them to the guild page as allies. We are now 25, until Ramini deserts us anyway :)

[Ramini]

Don't underestimate me :)
Who said it was 6 strong :-) thats just the core there will be at least 10 of us from the same college by the time this starts I would say and we are definitely active compared to some I havent seen around...
Also we will be recruiting, we are damn good at that.... in SWG you had to get 10 people for a city, I had 2 and put it down and logged off leaving about 4 hours to get 8 people :P
By myself I reckon I can take down 2 or 3 of you with my archery skills if its first person.
Now I come to think of it.... I don't think "Knights of Ni" has been taken as a name...

[KokiriChild]

I was just thinking that.

On the plus side if your guild's not a fighting guild maybe you could beome DnL's first dancing guild and call yourself "The Knights Of The Round Table" ;)

- KC

[Salver]

How far away we get from the safe zone depends on everyone's willingness to PvP and on how many neighbours we can count on to help us when 100 of the enemy drop in for tea,


Hahahahahahaha, was just reading this and thought that was brilliant, i can just imagine 100 half orcs and half trolls knocking at our gate shouting their hungry lol.


I was thinking what if you built your Fortress near Lord_Paladins and I think i will launch my own Guild of Mercenaries that shall give you Wish Refugees a special price?

[KokiriChild]

free, else we'll "drop by for tea" ;)

- KC

[Salver]

Lol, I have to make some coin or how do get along in the world?

Me and my other 5 kabillion comrades need to eat!

Ha! I wish lol closest I have been to a large army was in Wish *holds back tears and Sniffles* when I led the Guard Of Lokshire there was like 30 of us there!

[Sealgair]

Orcs and half-trolls: "hello there in the castle! we're hungry!"

us: "we've got some scones with whipped cream and strawberry jam"

Orcs and half-trolls: "No, we want to eat your brains...(whats that ScullKrusher?)...oh.. and your babies too!...err...please."

ScullKrusher: "awfully sorry"

us: "whisper, whisper, whisper...how about some butterfly cakes and a cup of tea?"


But seriously, I've been reading up on the fortress battles and it seems a mercenary could sign up with 50 different fortresses and be available as a defender for any of them if they are attacked by a teleporting army. If you are online you just accept the call and then you are teleported to the battle. A competent and reliable mercenary could command quite a high fee once he establishes a reputation. It could actually be quite a viable career.

[Salver]

Well if you pay us a nice sum of money we will have Guards posted to your place nearly all around the Clock if that sounds a nice thing to you?

Just to make sure that you dont get some very ugly looking Dark Players stood outside your Gate turning down lovely Scones and Cream and Tea, pfft idiots, they trade that in for Brains!

Brains!!

[Sealgair]

I can see how a scam could be set up:

Oceans 200
"look! 100 darkies outside your castle, good thing I was just passing by with my 100 lightie mercenaries. Give me a zillion gold coins and we'll take care of them for you."
*200 newly rich light&dark scammers run off into the distance holding hands
The End

[Salver]

Lol, what a brilliant brilliant Idea someone get this Man a big Drink!

I might try that on someone actually lol.

[KokiriChild]

I can see how a scam could be set up:

Oceans 200
"look! 100 darkies outside your castle, good thing I was just passing by with my 100 lightie mercenaries. Give me a zillion gold coins and we'll take care of them for you."
*200 newly rich light&dark scammers run off into the distance holding hands
The End

My God there nearly wasn't enough plot twists. Where's the Fariy who looks like Julia Roberts? Where's the multiple story arc? Why am I being so anal about a film I didn't even think was that great? Why I am carrying on? why don't I just shut up? Why are my fingers still typing?

- KC

[Salver]

Lol, personally I thought Oceans 11 was a good Film :P, but that's beside the point your post was still funny :D.

[Ramini]

Good idea... If my plan to have a bit of both sides affiliated with my guild works then this could be a good way to bankrupt people....

[Lord Rufus]

I don't intend paying anyone for protection! They can pay us if they want though :)

To form an effective defence we will simply need to conclude agreements with neighbouring fortresses that we will defend each other, that way we could cope with pretty large sieges solo. The cost being that we will have to defend others - but all in a good day's work, eh?

[KokiriChild]

Hi ho, Hi ho, it's off to work we go *whistles*

- KC

[Ramini]

I don't think I have effectively spammed in this topic yet. I shall have to think of something useless to say.

[KokiriChild]

I don't think I have effectively spammed in this topic yet. I shall have to think of something useless to say.

Congratulations ^^

- KC

[Lord Rufus]

Can we try and keep spam to the "chat" threads and try and stay on topic on threads that are connected to the game, politics, etc.? Pleeeeese

[Salver]

You'll come crawling back :P *scowls* that day when you see that mahoooosive army on your doorstep and the Velen riders are sat nearby watching and all of a sudden I get flooded with PM's :P.

[Ramini]

Can we try and keep spam to the "chat" threads and try and stay on topic on threads that are connected to the game, politics, etc.? Pleeeeese

I am very sorry

[Salver]

Ok OK, so what if I was to say my Guild pledges service to yours, but you have to pay us however much we decide in game?
(I dont know what the currency is like so I wont set a Price).

Or instead of Paying us, help us with Equipment and Mounts and that sort of thing and in return we'll protect your Caravans, Attack other Fortresses, Assasinate People, etc. etc.


Btw Ramini excalibur_reborn@msn.com is me, I am trying to add you on MSN.

[Ramini]

Just a note to all: I changed my msn a week ago to raminikaiok@gmail.com so i no longer use my old one. I thought it was hard to move all my contacts but i found out theres an option to do it for you so i changed.

[Salver]

Ok, are you online now?

Your not are u?

Well I added you and you have'nt signed in sooooo i'll use my limited knowledge and guess your not.

[Ramini]

yes I am.... raminikaiok@gmail.com
Current name is cellular modular interactivodular :)

[KokiriChild]

yes I am.... raminikaiok@gmail.com
Current name is cellular modular interactivodular :)

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring, BANANAPHONE!

- KC

[Salver]

Lol, it's brilliant is that song, annoying but funny.

[Ramini]

Not as annoying as the annoying alien.
I quite like pwned.nl as well :)
Don't you feel we left the topic slightly again

[KokiriChild]

So tell me, what is this 'topic' you speak of?!

[Salver]

lol, I beleive it was the vote either to have a Town and/or a Fort.

Well not And/Or I just like saying it :P .

[Salver]

Ok, it seems I have been hired by Ramini but obviously I can still take other Jobs, least I think it was Ramini -_- .

Lol sorry I am absolutely no good with Names, but anyway that person got the Deal on Kitting us out so we protect them and do their Will now it's Money to Hire :D .

[KokiriChild]

Ahh, that was me!

- KC

[Lord Rufus]

So you're saying you did a deal with Ramini's guild for protection in exchange for goods and now you're reneging on the deal before the game even started and demanding cash only? Not a good way to get a good rep as a mercenary corp IMHO :)

Ok, it seems I have been hired by Ramini but obviously I can still take other Jobs, least I think it was Ramini -_- .

Lol sorry I am absolutely no good with Names, but anyway that person got the Deal on Kitting us out so we protect them and do their Will now it's Money to Hire :D .

[KokiriChild]

Ahh, it wasn't me, I was just after free mercs, sorry :P

- KC

[Lord Rufus]

We'll send Tarquin round to box his ears - they're both in Bradford :)

[AchillesEOD]

bananna phone LOL too funny.

[Lord Rufus]

OK, I have to ask - What song?

[KokiriChild]

It's a song by Raffi called "bananaphone" - for more info see http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgerphone.php

- KC

ps: wow, I managed a whole post without spamming!