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[Antaean]

To all those whom this concerns...
I would like to address the matter that is facing this guild.
It seems that the climax of this guild has come and faded, but I am neither displeased nor angry. I, like many other, am aware of the great effort it takes to run/maintain a guild. However, it must be realized that a guild cannot soley depend upon its leader, such as Divinitus has. A guild is an active effort of all members, with rank or without. Think for a moment, in-game, if a guild could only function with the leaders present, this would mean chaos. Furthermore, inactivity is a disease that will eventually affect all guilds, no matter how big. Just look at the list of dead/semi-active guilds and see for yourself, you might be thinking 'no, this won't happen to my guild', but in truth, it will. AS your guild expands, you can only look back at the list of inactive members. A guild is two-sided, it takes the effort of all members to function. I realize I did neglict my duties as a guildmaster, but so did many fellow members when they decided not to post (if you don't believe me, check out how many members were in my guild, and then see if most are still active...)
Before people think that this means I am giving up with DnL, it doesn't. I will continue to be as active as I can within the forum, (and game when it comes out). It should be known that if I chose, and became active again, I could probaby get this guild running with little to no effort. The past reputation of this guild is a testimony to that. However, I am chosing to disband the guild, seeing now that my schedule is tight. This truely is our darkest hour, because so many have originally chosen or defected to the Dark side. I will still represent the Light and fight off all you Darklings, especially you Traitors-to-the-Light. Beyond that, I am not going to be joining any other guilds, I will simply remain a 'Wandering Blade'.

-May the Light be with you all.

[Shazi]

Even if i am your enemy i have to say that i hope that your guild make it. It is a strong one, maby not so many members but the faith is still there :)

PS: If you don't survive then we won't have anyone to fight :( and then it won't be any fun...

Antaean, i can guarantee you one thing, i want your head as much as you want mine ;)

[Antaean]

not so many members but the faith is still there
No members = No faith, their dependant of each other.
PS: If you don't survive then we won't have anyone to fight and then it won't be any fun...
Too true, it seems that everyone is now Dark, or a Mercenary who works only to fuel their greed. Sad... I view myself as the only real contender of the Dark. I am the last faithful warrior and guardian of the Light...
I stand alone, I am swift Justice and deft Mercy...
Antaean, i can guarantee you one thing, i want your head as much as you want mine
Bring it! ;)


[Edited on 18/3/2003 by Antaean]

[DivZ3r0]

Shazi, when is ur birthday? ill get u his head on a stick ;P

[Antaean]

Shazi, when is ur birthday? ill get u his head on a stick ;P
............
Hm, I'm not going to comment, its obvious that your overconfidence and arrogance will be your downfall.

[Shazi]

Thx for the offer Div :)
However i prefer to kill him by myself (if you read my story u can see what i think of the "elves of light")

Antaean, i think that if you wait some time then there will be more light warriors that are prepared to fight on your side .

*looks carefully over the shoulder so that Delta or Blue aint close*
Hail to you mighty and faithful warrior, i am impressed by your faith and your loyalty even if your goal is wrong (according to me)

[Antaean]

However i prefer to kill him by myself (if you read my story u can see what i think of the "elves of light")
Don't kid yourself, you would need an army to kill me :cool:
And, I'm not an elf...
Antaean, i think that if you wait some time then there will be more light warriors that are prepared to fight on your side .
I certainly hope so, I can't take you all at once (but I'll try) ;)
Hail to you mighty and faithful warrior, i am impressed by your faith and your loyalty even if your goal is wrong (according to me)
My goal is true and just, for this I fight.

[Shazi]

Ok, time to hit back...

First of all i don't even need to confront u to fight u, my plan is to set up several traps all over the light area and the chance is quite big that you will sometime walk in one of those traps. Second of all, if we need an army to defeat you then you're done for ;) we have several ppls in our clan who i bet would like to go Antaean-hunting ;)

And last, sorry bout the elf part, i thought you were one ;)
Anyway, your a paladin and ur light (just as the one that raped my poor mother) and that is enough to make me go berserk once i see you ;)

and now the last of the last :P

You say your goal is true and just, that may be, it may be another way to restore the world, but always remember as long as your fighting SoF you wont have any time at all to breathe out so your faith better be true, because noone can stand up alone against the gathered forces of Soldiers of Fortune without having second thoughts about their goal.

Alye'lye nabelt, alye'lye navanima, alye'lye naakh'heren
(together we are strong, together we are beautiful, together we are soldiers of fortune)

[Antaean]

Ok, time to hit back...
Its about time you stood up and fought like a man ;)
First of all i don't even need to confront u to fight u, my plan is to set up several traps all over the light area and the chance is quite big that you will sometime walk in one of those traps.
Only cowards use traps, real warriors fight head on... And the odds of me ending up in one of your 'traps' are slim to none considering a lot of elements in DnL (Size, others, etc).
Second of all, if we need an army to defeat you then you're done for we have several ppls in our clan who i bet would like to go Antaean-hunting
Oh no.... Fear the wrath of SoF..... :thumbdown:
Its good to know I have a 'bounty' on my head already. I like the challenge. Keep this in mind, when you and your guild are stuck working on 'guild-tasks' that draw you away from battle, I will be there killing you off one by one. Whereas your focus is the Guild, mine is your deaths. (Darklings in general)
Anyway, your a paladin and ur light (just as the one that raped my poor mother)
A Paladin raping a women... Not possible,
that is enough to make me go berserk once i see you
You'd better hope you can 'go berserk', because thieves don't stand much of a chance fighting Paladins (Warrior Class > Rouge Class) :P
but always remember as long as your fighting SoF you wont have any time at all to breathe out so your faith better be true, because noone can stand up alone against the gathered forces of Soldiers of Fortune without having second thoughts about their goal.
I'm worried more about CCC than SoF, and to tell you the truth, I'm not worried that much.
Alye'lye nabelt, alye'lye navanima, alye'lye naakh'heren
(together we are strong, together we are beautiful, together we are soldiers of fortune)
Antolle ulua sulrim
Uuma quena en'mani lle ume (ri'mani lle umaya). (Uma ta ar'lava ta quena ten'irste'.)
Goth(rim)amin

[Shazi]

I hate giving my enemys credit, but ur damn good at this :P u actually managed to quote my whole message, ok counter strike ;)

Only cowards use traps, real warriors fight head on... And the odds of me ending up in one of your 'traps' are slim to none considering a lot of elements in DnL (Size, others, etc).

I am a rouge, not a warrior, besides i don't care about how i reach my goal it is the goal that counts for me (thats why im dark) and traps don't neccesarily mean physical traps, it can be poisoned food, traitors among your warriors, it can be anything...

Oh no.... Fear the wrath of SoF.....
Its good to know I have a 'bounty' on my head already. I like the challenge. Keep this in mind, when you and your guild are stuck working on 'guild-tasks' that draw you away from battle, I will be there killing you off one by one. Whereas your focus is the Guild, mine is your deaths. (Darklings in general)

It is quite obvious that you haven't met us before, we don't work that way. I will not reveal our structure to you since you are our enemy but i can guarantee you that there will ALWAYS be an army ready to fight the light, whenever and wherever.

A Paladin raping a women... Not possible

A paladin raping a woman is very possible, it's just as possible as a dark warrior defending the poor and defenceless, remember, "dark" is not always dark and "light" is not always light.

You'd better hope you can 'go berserk', because thieves don't stand much of a chance fighting Paladins (Warrior Class > Rouge Class)

That may be, but remember, i will hardly attack you face to face, more likely i will see you on the market and cut your throat of pure rage. (I will probably be arrested after that but what the heck :P)

I'm worried more about CCC than SoF, and to tell you the truth, I'm not worried that much.

You are worried more about CCC because you know them more than you know us and besides you will probably not have to worry about CCC OR SoF, more likely you will have to worry about CCC AND SoF (if we dun get some kind of flip in our brains and fight ourselves to death ;) :P)

Antolle ulua sulrim
Uuma quena en'mani lle ume (ri'mani lle umaya). (Uma ta ar'lava ta quena ten'irste'.)
Goth(rim)amin

Im too new to elvish so i can't relly translate it but i bet it's good and mean ;)

[Edited on 18/3/2003 by Shazi]

[Antaean]

I hate giving my enemys credit, but ur damn good at this u actually managed to quote my whole message
Yes, I'm the master ;) My turn...
I am a rouge, not a warrior, besides i don't care about how i reach my goal it is the goal that counts for me (thats why im dark)
.... Your refering to your actions "Dark" and labeling/implying them as Evil, however you later say the following that contradicts what you said above:
remember, "dark" is not always dark and "light" is not always light.
Now your confusing me, you either admit that your actions are cowardly (because, yes, you are a rouge, and rouges are cowards, hence they resort to thieving and 'shady' methods), or you claim to be 'evil'-driven in purpose so therefore its justified...
traps don't neccesarily mean physical traps, it can be poisoned food, traitors among your warriors, it can be anything...
I understand that, unfortunetly, I have no warriors, I'm fighting alone, and as for the food, I guess I'll watch what I eat. :cool:
It is quite obvious that you haven't met us before, we don't work that way. I will not reveal our structure to you since you are our enemy
Don't worry, I'm not interested in your guilds 'structure'. How your guild functions is of no concern to me. I know how guilds work, and trust me, their all mainly the same. (Amass forces, seige base keep, expand) <-- The main guild structure
but i can guarantee you that there will ALWAYS be an army ready to fight the light, whenever and wherever
Hmmmm, right, with all 12 of your members, your going to maintain a constant militia and keep the guild/base functioning/protected... I think your guild needs a new Tactician. :o
A paladin raping a woman is very possible
I see... Its obvious your not acquainted with the meaning of a 'Paladin' so here is the Dictionary definition for you:
A paragon of chivalry; a heroic champion.
Now raping a women is most certainly not tolerated in the codes of chivalry, a Palasin is someone who fights for justice and the innocent, whether "Dark or Light", their cause is noble. That is why a Paladin couldn't have raped a women.
That may be, but remember, i will hardly attack you face to face, more likely i will see you on the market and cut your throat of pure rage. (I will probably be arrested after that but what the heck )
You'd better greatly train your stealth skills then, because if I sense you, your dead... And exactly what 'market' would I be in that you would also be in? I am pretty sure any person of Light would kill you onsight if you entered a Light market, and if I entered a Dark market it would be with the intent kill, not to buy :cool: .
You are worried more about CCC because you know them more than you know us and besides you will probably not have to worry about CCC OR SoF, more likely you will have to worry about CCC AND SoF (if we dun get some kind of flip in our brains and fight ourselves to death
"The more the merrier", I'm looking forward to having many Darkling enemies! Its a luxery I can indulge.
Im too new to elvish so i can't relly translate it but i bet it's good and mean
You bet it is! ;)



[Edited on 19/3/2003 by Antaean]

[Azrial]

hahaha, gj Antaean, man, how can u peoplz b bothered debatin back and forth, u lost must definitely b bored ;)
i'm honestly sorry to see Divinitus disband, it looked so promising when i first got here, but i didn't realise it had already started to break. I don't relaly want to be dark, coz u can't b high elves... i want to b a high elf paladin just to spite Shazi :P hehe. I'm debatin whether to try join Mystical awakening or SOF, we'll c
Best of luck Antaean, and may the light always guide you
cheerz

[IronMonk]

Antaean, you know you still got a friend in me, adn sof is a dark guild. but i think that it is pretty much only a handfull of strong againsed the weak. it takes a big person to knowingly go against the odds. we also have to goodtymers or however you spell it. this is shure gunna be fun kicking these cowards around!

[Shazi]

Well to avoid these loong boring posts Antaean i won't reply to verything.
I see your confused about my view of "Light" and "Dark". This is how i look at it, a person can be mainly light or dark, but noone except the gods themselves can be TOTALLY light or dark, every person has two sides. In you i guess the light side is dominating over the dark side. And in me the dark side is dominating over the light side.
For me there is no such thing as "evil" or "good".

Now about that "A paladin is pure light". I don't see paladins as pure light warriors, i see them more as warriors who fight for the light since it's the way they think is right. However, the paladin who raped my mother (RP that is :P) just responded to his human (or elven in this case) side and im quite sure he regreated it later on, but then it was too late.


Hmmmm, right, with all 12 of your members, your going to maintain a constant militia and keep the guild/base functioning/protected... I think your guild needs a new Tactician.

Ahh, if you check the dev chat logs then you will see that we all will be able to hire mercenarys. So our members will hardly act as soldiers, they will probably act more like generals.

You'd better greatly train your stealth skills then, because if I sense you, your dead... And exactly what 'market' would I be in that you would also be in? I am pretty sure any person of Light would kill you onsight if you entered a Light market, and if I entered a Dark market it would be with the intent kill, not to buy

Indeed, i realize you would'nt go into a dark market to buy stuff but i will most certanly be spying around in your towns, and by the way, im not that stupid that i walk into a light market waving with my hand and screaming "hello here i am" ;). However, you will most certanly be in the light towns sometime and if i spot you then WHAM!

A question too, you are a paladin, im a rouge, how on earth do you think you can find me in a crowded market if i don't want to be found?? That chance is as big as i would defeat you in a man-to-man combat...

g2g now, got class in two mins ;)

[Azrial]

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'However, the paladin who raped my mother (RP that is ) just responded to his human (or elven in this case) side and im quite sure he regreated it later on, but then it was too late.'

If that elf raped your mother, he couldn't have been a paladin, for when a paladin turned to his human/elf side, he would not act like that. Any creature who listened to their evil side and could not control it is definitely not a paladin
cheerz ;)

[Shazi]

Welcome to the battle Azrial *looks for some allies to even up the team* :P

That is my point, he turned away from the light!

As i said before i see two parts in everyone one dark and one light. That paladin's dark side took over his light side for a short moment. As i stated before, noone is pure light and noone is pure dark ;) and under this war between light and dark, who knows what kind of things happens inside an elf, or human, or dwarf, or whatever :P

Who knows, maby it wasn't his own will to do that, the story was written to make pepole think a little about what is dark and what is light.

[Azrial]

hahahaa, Divinitus has turned into a war field, no longer a guild... :P
don't forget, light is not necessariy good and dark is not neccesarily evil, so when u said he turned to his dark side, what does that have to do with anything? notice how i said if he listened to his evil side... anyway, if, as u say, this 'paladin' really did rape your mother, then i will hunt him down till the end of the world as we know it, for he has tainted the sacred name and honour of paladins...

so in a way, i am with u Shazi... dependz how u c it, i don't hate all high elves, just this one... :P
cheerz

[Sproth]

I HATE PALADINS!! every single game i play they are always rude to me!!!

[Azrial]

well... seeing your views on them, i'm not very suprised :P, anyway, all of them r rude? wot did i eva do :P

[Bluenose]

hahaha I love the argument :)

Shame about Divinitus, but thats what you get them an amature trys to run a Guild :cool:


Hmmmm, right, with all 12 of your members, your going to maintain a constant militia and keep the guild/base functioning/protected... I think your guild needs a new Tactician.


12 members?

(more like 15 now, and we have been active around a month - do the math)

They are all active, evrey one of them. Unactive members are removed asap. It is not stood for. This Guild is also over 2 and a half years old. The initial 10 sof DnL members have been active in the Guild for at least 6 months already, if not over a year.

Over our 2 - 3 years we have had over a thousand members, usually around 100 active at a time. If you still think we will be that easy a challange and you have nothing to fear, then I am sad, as pride comes before a fall. And you will be no challange to us.

I look foward to facing you in the battle field, but only so I can watch you beg for you're life. And believe me I wont need the rest of the Guild, if I have to I will deal with you personally.

[Antaean]

hahaha I love the argument
Yes, it has gotten quite interesting.
Shame about Divinitus, but thats what you get them an amature trys to run a Guild
Amature? Let me enlighten you on Divinitus's current situation and reiterate a few things from above. Divinitus, if still in service, would still be one of the largest guilds. I recieved 3 eMails yesterday from people wanting to join (I guess they don't read the forums), beyond that, I get about 4-5 people a week wanting to join. But, you most realize, since you claim to be a master at running guilds, that guilds take the effort of both the members and the leaders. Now, as said above, I have neglected some of my duties as a the guildmaster, but so had the members (save a few). Now, I'm not too worried about this because I have a life outside of the DnL realm. And to me, my priorities are listed as reality before games. So when I have to choose between studying for night school or keeping up with the guild, I'm choosing school.
The bottom line: It has nothing to do with being an amature or not. Running a guild takes a lot of time, you know this, and unfortunetly, that is time I don't have at the moment...
12 members?

(more like 15 now, and we have been active around a month - do the math)

They are all active, evrey one of them. Unactive members are removed asap. It is not stood for. This Guild is also over 2 and a half years old. The initial 10 sof DnL members have been active in the Guild for at least 6 months already, if not over a year.
I believe it was 12 when I posted, I think you had 2 or 3 members pending. I'm glad their active. :cool:
Over our 2 - 3 years we have had over a thousand members, usually around 100 active at a time. If you still think we will be that easy a challange and you have nothing to fear, then I am sad, as pride comes before a fall. And you will be no challange to us.
Keep your statistics on DnL, no one cares about other games (believe it or not Divinitus has been in other MMORPGS too).
Then it seems we are both prideful, me for underestimating you, and you for underestimating me. :o
I look foward to facing you in the battle field, but only so I can watch you beg for you're life.
More pride ;)
And believe me I wont need the rest of the Guild, if I have to I will deal with you personally.
I invite the challenge, I have been looking for an Arch Rival :cool:

[Bluenose]

No personal insult meant ;)


Divinitus, if still in service, would still be one of the largest guilds. I recieved 3 eMails yesterday from people wanting to join (I guess they don't read the forums), beyond that, I get about 4-5 people a week wanting to join.


I understand you are busy in real life, perhaps you should see if any of you're members are willing to help run things? The end of Divinitus is the last thing I want, the more light Guilds the better. You might want to try harder to keep things going, either by letting someone else have a go at running things or getting others to help more. If you are getting that many offers it shouldint be 2 hard to find people.

I agree running a guild takes alot of time, but at the momnt its taking almost zero of my time :D (thats pre-beta for you) and alot less than im used to. I dont claim to be a master, (Delta's job :P )


because I have a life outside of the DnL realm


Life outside of DnL is most important I agree, need 2 keep the ol ball an chain happy ;)


I look foward to facing you in the battle field, but only so I can watch you beg for you're life.


Not pride, I have forseen it :cool:



I invite the challenge, I have been looking for an Arch Rival


Then with me you have found one, I look foward to the day when I shall strike you down and make you beg for you're life :)

[Shazi]

Man... "old sh!t never dies" (srry eg0)

I suggest you two chill out a bit,

Blue,
Your 1 of the guildmasters of SoF, you don't need to prove anything to anyone, your members (we) know how good you are and i think that should be enough ;)

PS: We (SoF) know what we can do, and we don't need to argue about it here, we will prove ourselves by crushing our enemys bones and waving our flags over the battlefields.

Antaean,
I was in your guild for a short while and if i would be light and SoF would not be here then i would join you without question ;)

As i said to Blue, you will get your chance to prove yourself when the game goes into beta (or in worst case when it goes gold) Your members know how good you are and that should be enough for you too ;)
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So, this was a simple attempt to stop the "quote war" and it's up to you two to decide whether i succeded or failed ;)