Dark and Light » Forums - join the aliance of guilds

Ceara

08-01-2005, 02:10 AM

all guildmasters
small or big guilds
join our fast growing aliance
we want to build a network of guilds that cooperate and can depend on each other

this will enable your guild to become more capable and will enable cooperation between all members of the aliance

we have many people intersted and others that have already joined
dont be the guild standing alone

a place where even the small guilds can flourish

all guilds welcome to join
PM me in game ceara the crafter
or pm me here
or on any of the other forums for DNL
we want your support to build a comunity
that can flourish wether your in a big guiild or a small one with your friends this is your chance to help yourself become apart of a growing network of
guilds that will draw on each others strengths and help each other during times of hardship
a place where all crafters can come together
dont face that seige alone in your guild
join the aliance

Nillian

08-01-2005, 02:32 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me :)

I worry, perhaps, about how big this 'network' may become? If it becomes too big it may be unmanagable.

However, having said that I think it's a darn good idea! People of Ganareth unite!

I hope the devs implement some form of alliance-chat, or custom chat channels, so that multiple guilds can communicate with each other in private. It would make this network a much more feasible possibility.

Ronya

08-01-2005, 02:55 AM

What side of alliance, dark or light? i guess in the game will be dark and light alliances. Coz dark races have bonuses in the night, light races in the day and guilds will be only for one side. But i dont know about alliances will be alliances include both sides (dark and light) or not.

Ceara

08-01-2005, 03:30 AM

excuse me for not posting the alignment your absolutely right

it will be on the light side

form your guild of friends, dont dispair that you are small in number.
in the aliance we will pull together to help all the members equally.

building a comunity of many guilds that pull together for the good of all
you can meet other guilds and organized tournaments
and count on support when its needed most

we only seek support so that no small guild has to face the enemy alone
and even the guild with one crafter can find a place where all the crafters work together

come help us build a comunity of guilds
we need your support
you only get out of the game what you put into it
your PM to me is your request to join the aliance
already many have expressed a desire to join
those that have a inner circle of family and friends can now have their own guild and belong to a large organized guild fraternity based on the support of all it's members
if you are alone we will find a guild that is suitable to your needs not a big guild with a mass of people mismatched
no need to join a large guild and become lost in the shuffle
we need leaders
and most of all ,we need your support!
help us help each other

Ceara

08-01-2005, 10:02 PM

join the aliance of players that will be more organized then any of the big guilds
we count you to build a comunity of small guilds that can come together and form a large army
please support the aliance of guilds

Jadal

08-01-2005, 10:09 PM

Wotann

08-01-2005, 11:50 PM

You know, there's a special forum dedicated to guilds... and it's not this one. This thread should be moved to the right place.

Ceara

08-02-2005, 12:07 AM

Just to bust your chops :)

Why would your 10 groups of 10 man guilds be more organized than 1 group of 100 ppl?

All things being equal your 10 groups would be much less organized than the one group. Maybe you should clarify how you intend to reach this pinnacle of order.
there is no vested interst if you have one leader and pack of sheep
we want leaders guildmasters as our comanders unlike the big guilds that dole out leadership responability to friends
we are trying to bring the smaller guilds into an aliance
guilds 10 to 100 players

so they can have a base of support

the guild of 100 standing alone will loose their castle the first time 300 opposing players attack
join the aliance or perish

the castle built on democratic rules made up of 100 guilds will stand
and ownership will be shared
by a tribunal of guildmasters that have vested interst

this post isnt about joining a guild its about organising a player aliance
the of guilds
we are not recruiting players into a guild

those that think they can withstand an opposing attack of 300 strong dont need to enter the aliance
those that that think they dont need an aliance will have their knees knocking and will be rattled the first time they are attacked by 300 players

perish alone or join an aliance
support is coming in
we need your support we cant help you if you dont enter the aliance
stand alone and perish or stand with the aliance and build a strong base
a city built by the aliance will be a strong one
each guildmaster carries 1 vote
join the rabble of a big guild and get lost in the shuffle or organize with us to build an army of guildmasters

TrueDarkBlade

08-02-2005, 12:24 AM

perish alone or join an aliance

I'm sorry if I have mistaken you for someone, but I believe you said before that you will have a main as a bandit and would use your other characters to gain information that you would later use to gain more profit on your red character, thus wouldn't your alliance be really a way to backstab over 100 people at a time?

Abadus

08-02-2005, 12:31 AM

Jadal

08-02-2005, 12:33 AM

the castle built on democratic rules made up of 100 guilds will stand
and ownership will be shared
by a tribunal of guildmasters that have vested interst

Well looky here. Game mechanics already have a voting/democracy in place. Since you didnt answer my first question, here is another: How are 10-30 guilds (300ppl) going to be able to vote as a block like 1 guild of 100?
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MMORPG.COM: {Oakstead}: Will player owned fortresses have any way of being transferred without being conquered by the opposite alignment such as by selling or being condemned by the high level noble ruling the territory? If condemned could there be a formal fighting contest between interested clans to determine ownership?

Stephane: Once a specific number of fortresses are taken, the barony switches sides. Elections are then held to elect a new baron. The option you suggest isn't advisable, even if it looks good at first glance, because our goal is to allow you to become a baron without fighting. Indeed, politics mostly depends on the SXP side, not FXP.

Abadus

08-02-2005, 12:36 AM

Jadal

08-02-2005, 12:37 AM

^^^ LOL could be ;P

10 groups of 10 well organized people will be > 1 group of 100. Why? Because in a group of 100 nobody listens. Everyone wants to do their own thing. with 10 small groups the groups will be lead by people they respect and listen to, those 10 "commanders" could get the big pictire from 1 person. Chain of command and it would work I bet. But 100 people in 1 guild trying to set up leaders within a raid party has not worked well in my past experiences.

Same thing with guild mergers, as good as they sound I have NEVER had one go well and benifit everyone involved.

10 tight knit friends is always a force to be reckoned with if your in a pick up group of 10 ppl. In this game, as in past and present games, 10 ppl will never be more than a thorn.

Ebonlore in Shadowbane = owned the server in a week 500+ppl
Goon Squad in WoW = dominated server 500+

10 is a nice number to hit and run

Jadal

08-02-2005, 12:41 AM

Hehe GL getting a guild of 100 to vote as a block. 100 people = about 15-20 on at any given time. That is if they play a lot.

My biggest fear in a guild of 20 people is it will jus be my playing. But I don't want to just be a name in a large guild.......

Dude that makes no sense whatsoever.
1) By your math only 15%-20% of the players will be on. So in a group of 10 only 1-2 ppl will be on?

2) When there is a vote do you really think there will be a server message saying you have 5 seconds to vote, do so now? They would put something like that on a 24 hr clock I'm sure

Help me to help you bro.

illidanII

08-02-2005, 01:00 AM

lol 300 people attacking a fortress with 100 people,i hate to think of the lag that will cause,there will be lag no avoiding it

Ceara

08-02-2005, 01:01 AM

a group of 10-25 friends will be on at the same time
10- 20 players from a guild of 100 will have different time zones and different outlooks
and even the pope couldnt get them to play like a team

Abadus

08-02-2005, 01:04 AM

I would like a guild of 20 people that play. But in most guilds that I have seen or been in 100 people usually equals about a max of 20 people on at one time.

No I don't think there will be any big 5 seconds to vote. But good luck gathering 500 peoples votes. They all have to log in and someone or someones had to count the votes without double counting. And have fun controlling 500 people under 1 banner. With that many people you are bound to have some losers in there. Sorry big guilds are not for me. To each their own.

When I played in DAOC, I was on KAy for the most part and played in Furys End. We were a small guild. Usually feilded about 1 to maybe 2 groups to PvP. We tried to refrain from running with 2 groups (zergs). We could usually take out 2:1 with our numbers. sometimes more if the situation was right. That was fun. Getting together 500 people and owning a zone is not fun to me. WoW was kinda like that. Except if you got together 10 people you usually just rolled over everyone. That is no fun. Well at least not for me. Small tatical groups. SKill not numbers.

Ceara

08-02-2005, 01:09 AM

I'm sorry if I have mistaken you for someone, but I believe you said before that you will have a main as a bandit and would use your other characters to gain information that you would later use to gain more profit on your red character, thus wouldn't your alliance be really a way to backstab over 100 people at a time?

no what it means is that all the people in the aliance that have reds will be at the other guilds door back stabbing them the more player in the aliance with reds the more organized our reds can be as a team
the guilds in the aliance will be under an aliance of cooperation and will have the protection of each of its members
the only people need fear is the lone guild that thinks they can go it alone with even 100 players they will fail
head counts isnt the way to go
i rather see 100 guilds come together with guildleaders making up the chain of command rather then one guild with a bunch of mismatched people that back stab each other and play like a pack of fools with one leader and his freinds as the chain of command

an aliance of guilds that prosper together stick together

the guilds that stand alone will understand this if not now later they will get the message loud and clear

Ceara

08-02-2005, 01:13 AM

we want guildmasters as commanders ,not guildmaster's little bro as commander
each guildmaster carries one vote we aim to be the most democratic and best trained army in the realm

support is pouring in,outlook is getting better each day !
with luck by launch time the aliance will be a force to be reconed with
we need leaders
join the aliance
i am not the leader
leaders are all the guildmasters
each guild is one vote regardless of size
power mongers and crazies need not apply

each guildmaster can submit requests that are put to the vote of all the guildmasters
democracy rules the day
we will have casual meetings at the city pub to plan strategies
and everything will be voted into the rule book
if we prosper and get to own a city then the one with the votes will be the leader
I do not seek power nor glory just a place where my small guild of friends can flourish among others that want the same

good luck in getting a fair vote in the larger guilds
you will be lost the one two shuffle time and again

Abadus

08-02-2005, 01:17 AM

Haven't you ever noticed that in a larger guild if the guild leader is on things get done, but if not nobody wants to do anyhthing? Maybe I am just cursed.....

Guild masters little bro. LOL soo true.

MelUK

08-02-2005, 01:20 AM

I won't change my mind that there is a place for small guilds in DnL. I guess time will tell how successful such a group of guilds is against a larger guild. However shouldn't you be spamming your guild aliance support in the Guild section? Just a though :)

Ceara

08-02-2005, 01:29 AM

have not seen a big guild yet that didnt splinter off into small groups of friends that get little to no support from the guild.and actually end up getting ignored by the guild
an alliance of small guilds based on democracy can only get bigger
our commanders are guildmasters
our goal is to raise an army of well trained groups of friends
a place where all the crafters can craft together if they wish to
dont dispair if your in a small guild there is an alliance that will support your efforts
we can come together under one city and hold elections for town council
each guild has 1 vote no matter how small it is
no agenda will be forced on its membership it will be democratic
and best of all we will all own the aliance each guildmaster will have a vested interest
we can only take from the game what we are willing put into it in return

Hak242

08-02-2005, 02:55 AM

.... so we are going to join a guild and then "alliance" ourselves with other guilds to benefit us, well it's kinda cool i guess since there could be a crafter guild that makes weapons for the people inside the alliance though i dont think there are gonna be or very few crafter guildsi get yr point but its really weird like yr in a guild in another bigger guild...................................... ect..................................ect.................................ect...............................ect(this is fun).................ect.........................ect......................ect

Ceara

08-02-2005, 04:01 AM

we all need support in this game wether our guild is 10 players or 100
trust me guilds with 100 players will collapse when a force of 300 comes knocking on their doors

I would rather be apart of a town run by 20 guilds with 10-50 players each then
a town with 1 guild and 100 players

join the alliance
PM
Ceara

TrueDarkBlade

08-02-2005, 04:09 AM

Ceara

08-02-2005, 04:57 AM

Might I point out that numbers is not the way to win in this game?
If you attack a fort with too strong of a force, then the gods of the players who are on defense intervene? It is one thing to be fighting someone with god's intervention, but now imagine everyone in a fort with it...

there is no devine intervention during a seige
or war when a well planned attack occurs

if you know the size of someones guild you can guesstimate the size of force to use then a window opens for an additionall influx of manpower
later
the first wave of the attack occurs with roughly the same size force as the defenders but also does the second wave

if the castle has 100 in its guild you can count on 2 wave of 100 or mabe even 3

if you have a castle that has 25 guilds in it how can you guesstimate that you cant
eventhough the castle may be owned by the biggest guild the other guilds have the potential to offset any attack more easily as it would be much more difficult to guesstimate the size required to over take the castle

A large guild would be wise to associate with small guilds and bring them in under their wings

arqitt

08-02-2005, 05:08 AM

good idea, and best of luck - but beware - an open door policy is a dangerous policy :)

Ceara

08-02-2005, 03:32 PM

thanks for the encourage support arqitt

alanthaleous

08-02-2005, 03:41 PM

I could see great benifits to have 10 small guilds of 10 people then 1 guild of 100 people... first off smaller guilds are easier to maintain... I tend to think of guild as regiments in an army. We can have speclized guilds that can map out enemy defenses for the allience... we can have a guild of cleric (hehe maybe called the knights templar) that aid other guild in battle with healing... there are so many ways the a large allience of smaller guilds can thrive over the larger guilds...think of the allience as 1 giant guild with sub divisions each headed by its own leader with its own rules... the council of the allience would be the top leaders of the guilds and these would reporst on thier own guild readiness and report on finding of enemy posistions they might have uncovered... dont think in side the box when it comes to guilds. This game has great potential for tactical RvR combat and I jsut think huge guilds will lack the cordination that smaller elite groups can do....

Ceara

08-02-2005, 03:49 PM

pm me ill put your name in we need leaders

Rhint

08-02-2005, 06:59 PM

the problem with alliances that normal guilds dont feel as often is epeen size. One guild in the alliance thinks they are the best part, but problem is, so do most of the others. It just doesnt work.

The thing with an alliance is that there needs to be someone at the top that people respect enough to follow, might as well turn into a guild then

Ceara

08-03-2005, 01:47 AM

but this game is different, if we cant make it work, then we will loose to the enemy.
100 people has no chance against 2 or more waves of 100 attackers,
the guildmasters have to come together.
hopefully enough guildmasters will understand this, and will put pettyness aside so that we can all prosper.
and yes the the power mongers will be left alone to defend their turf.hope they have success
a lot of small guilds will put aside ambitions to have the protection of 1 or 2 bigger guilds.as they cant do much anyways.
a small guild has no ambition, and their leaders know they can own nothing but a house in this game .
So the power stays with the larger guild ,we the small guilds only offer our support for a place to flourish in return.
it can only work if people make it work.
the smaller guilds that dont understnd this will be excilled by the larger guild if they cause trouble.
it can and must work or we have no chance to control territory.
in the begining it wont matter much but as the bigger guilds move out into
nomansland, to conquer new castles,cities,keeps ,they must know that their chances to keep these acuisitions will depend on manpower.
and the more manpower they have the more they can keep their conquests.
knowing that there will always be numerous small guilds ,it's a prudent decision to tap that source of manpower.even if it means offering support and a little democratic fandangling to do it.they know that they will be the power and will have the balance of power over the little guilds and can excercise the right to expell any trouble makers from their territory
at will.no big guild will accept any aliance that doesnt have them as the undisputed balance of power.
and no small guild has a right to think they can wrestle that power from them,
as the big guild will own the castle city keep what ever we the small guilds will only be squatters on their land
the pawns in their game
i accept this i have no ambition of sxp power just want my little band of friends to have a chance to flourish alongside the big guild to prosper with them.
If one day my little guild wants to conquer a village. I can count on support from the bigger guild ,the vilage will be owned by my guild. but the
only way I could of taken it was managing a politacal aliance , with a bigger guild with their eyes on bigger prizes .they count on my force among other smal guilds to support and defend their efforts
it all works because we all prosper
alone my small guild wouldn't have a chance to own that vilage for along time probably .
but as an aliance we prosper mutually with the big guild
the bigger guild's master can become a duke quite quickly with support from another 200 people that form smaller guilds in an aliance with them.

anyways I don't expect everyone to understand the wise leaders that do will prosper with us

De La Sosa

08-03-2005, 02:12 AM

lol 300 people attacking a fortress with 100 people,i hate to think of the lag that will cause,there will be lag no avoiding it
read the stratics article on how sieges will work...they become instanced = low to no lag, and with the server farm tech, i highly doubt it will be lag, at least server side.

and to the original poster, I hardly see the warring alliances panning up till about month 2 or 3. People are going to be rerolling different classes till they figure which one they like better, then people are going to be delving into the different paths, fighting, politics, crafting or exploring. Then people will get to the point they will be moving outside of thier pve only zones.

Then factor the two starting zones are quite a distance away and You see the point that the initial encounters of people of opposite sides will take awile. Its also been stated that people won't be able to take over fortresses right away at release so that there are no potential issues till people get a firm grip on things (at least that how i interpreted the reasoning).

Ceara

08-03-2005, 02:23 AM

yes we know that in the begining god created the heavens and earth
later on an aliance of guilds especially alot of small guilds banded to one big one will be an arranement that will work out good
where everyone prospers beyond their wildest dreams

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 02:48 AM

slightly interesting..but not enough to warrant joining.

Kisimir

08-03-2005, 03:48 AM

So... you may have an alliance of 10 small clans with around 5-15 each... However, how would you stand up to an alliance of 3-5 clans of 50-200 each that have already shown they can be organized...

Ceara

08-03-2005, 03:57 AM

So... you may have an alliance of 10 small clans with around 5-15 each... However, how would you stand up to an alliance of 3-5 clans of 50-200 each that have already shown they can be organized...
your already in the aliance why do you question your leaders commands
3 similarly sized clans wont work they would argue for control
only a bunch of small to medium sized tied to a big one works best
where by everyone knows the bigger clan weilds the power there is no power struggle

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 03:58 AM

your already in the aliance why do you question your leaders commands

Who said he was in the alliance?

Ceara

08-03-2005, 04:10 AM

Who said he was in the alliance?

I think I will cancel your groups support you guys are obviously against it
and your leader cant control you.
I couldn't count on you guys supporting us
so i'll post him and tell that due to lack of support from you guys I couldn't count you guys to be there when we needed you
oh well
21 guilds scratch 1 then
with over 1000 posts in 4 mo. omega you are king of the blow hards with zero to say
notice that my post count is low because when i have something say i say it and when i dont i dont
you talk to much and you end up talking yourselves into oblivion
We need people that are willing to work together your guild is a bunch of misfits that come together only when open door policies are in place

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 04:39 AM

I think I will cancel your groups support you guys are obviously against it
and your leader cant control you.
I couldn't count on you guys supporting us
so i'll post him and tell that due to lack of support from you guys I couldn't count you guys to be there when we needed you
oh well
21 guilds scratch 1 then

your welcome, since what your advertising is pretty lame for all of us. Also, you dodged the question. Who said the Arctic Wolves were in your alliance?

Ceara

08-03-2005, 04:44 AM

Your not
s-c-r-a-t-c-h

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 04:46 AM

Your not
s-c-r-a-t-c-h

Excuse me? Please, just answer my question so I can stop replying.

Kisimir

08-03-2005, 05:31 AM

LOL... I never joined your alliance... and btw, Omega isnt in my guild... She has her own...

Yeah... you can leave us out of it... no offense to you, you seem like an alright guy to me but I never said I was in and never did I say Omega was one of my troops...

Ceara

08-03-2005, 05:42 AM

kisimir and omega if you dont believe in the aliance why do post and recheck this column
we have already stated we dont want to align with your groups we look for
people we can trust that want to form an aliance of peoples that work together
your groups don't meet our needs
but thank you for the insight and your guild names
So that we may watch for you
we don't have an open door policy
we only admit those that come with an intent to better their surroundiongs for all members
we have noted that you reject the aliance
thank you

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 05:47 AM

dude, your the one that SAID that the Arctic Wolves were in the alliance. You never even gave me a reason. Blatant lye.........tch

Ceara

08-03-2005, 05:48 AM

not me
i flagged kissimir
and said his group
i didnt mention yours
but added that your lack off support for any aliance was noted
and scratched your guild off possible invites
i dont mean any disrespect
just taking note of what you said is all
20 guilds minus is that hard to swallow your guild wasnt in the aliance but mentioned that I see your lack of support and noted it
so I wouldnt have to soend time asking

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 05:51 AM

not me

Try going back and reading it. You even quoted for emphasis.

Ceara

08-03-2005, 05:56 AM

you cant see straight or have a bad memory

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 05:57 AM

you cant see straight or have a bad memory

uh huh........thiscoming from the man with no punctuation. It's there alright, stop denying it.

Ceara

08-03-2005, 05:59 AM

We will manage to get by somehow without your support

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 06:00 AM

We will manage to get by somehow without your support

Actually tally off the Shadowthrone AND the Arctic Wolves...neither are in your cadre of crappiness. I mean your Alliance of Superheroes

Ceara

08-03-2005, 06:04 AM

Mean while
come one come all, join the aliance of guilds.
if you have a small to medium sized guild, not to worry the aliance of guilds will be your army
we can all flourish
Together We can move mouintains ,alone we perish by the wayside!.

20 guilds medium and small already placed
our army will only get stronger

dont wait till the horde is at your door
we can build a future together or perish alone
the choice is yours to make
PM CEARA
for details

Yosho

08-03-2005, 07:09 AM

HAHAHAHAHAH...no.

Ceara

08-03-2005, 07:31 AM

When the horde amasses at your gates, dont be left alone with a small ragtag army of misfits ,between you and your hard earned castle
join the alliance of guilds
already 20 guilds strong and getting stronger
those that think they dont need an army to back them up will be forced to merge into another guild or give up trying to keep a castle
if you aspire to be a lord of a casttle the aliance will help
the alliance of guilds will place an army at your finger tips
when you need them most
we may only be 20 guilds strong now but small guilds everywhere are going to have to amass themselve into larger alliances
the alliance will allow all guilds to flourish
and mutual protection for all will be assured

Ceara

08-03-2005, 07:34 AM

HAHAHAHAHAH...no.

please leave your guild name so we can skip asking you
would save us time

OmegaDarkKnight

08-03-2005, 04:55 PM

HAHAHAHAHAH...no.

Well, that was definetly an answer..also Ceara he belongs to The Iron Order if that was not apparent.

Kisimir

08-25-2005, 10:30 PM

your already in the aliance why do you question your leaders commands
3 similarly sized clans wont work they would argue for control
only a bunch of small to medium sized tied to a big one works best
where by everyone knows the bigger clan weilds the power there is no power struggle

Lol... I'm still laughing at how she called herself my "leader"

Rotfl... lights self on fire and jumps out window.

Alpha_and_Omega

08-25-2005, 11:12 PM

I wont volunteer any guilds, including my own, for all of our lore could still change, but there are many guilds, both dark and light, who will fight you tooth and claw. We, and I can name 5 other large (100 - 300+ member guilds) who fight for balance, and one very big light alliance will upset the balance. So just beware, you are already making enemies. It could be that we are a fly against your great numbers, but many of the I refer to have been together for several years, and our 100 people could take out a couple hundred of yours. If it came down to it... Just wanted to let eveyone know that you shouldnt feel to safe in a gaint guild/allaince. You might rise up and zerg everyone at first, but soon enough, people will beat you.

And dont tell me the purpose isnt to rule the world, only a barony. Even if it truely is, it wont be everyones goal. And even if by some maricle it is, the fact remains your still a threat.

On a side note, 100 person gourp is more organized the 10 10 people groups. If 100 people in my giuld got on in vent, we are extremely orgained. If 10 of us got together, along with 90 other people, it wouldnt be that organized.