Recent racial assertions

[Serpico]

We have seen racial attacks in several threads these last days.

Wether the targets are american, french, chinese or others, it won't be tolerated.

We are all players - different colours, different nationalities - one and the same community.

Moreover many players wrote to us, mods, complaining about that.

As such, please know that all racist attacks will be dealt with maximum severity.

This sticky makes it official.

Regards,

Serpico.

[matt3214]

Thank you on behalf of us that are made physically ill by sensless ethnic attacks from ignorant people.

We have a server over-load until the bug is fixed? Remove their access if they have not purchased Pioneer.

And that is NOT sensoring, any U.S. citizens making these attacks you are bound by the rules and regulations of title 7. So you might want to think about what you write down b4 someone slaps a lawsuit on your ass.

[Phenix1050]

I'm very glad the moderators are taking action on this. I'm a citizen of both America and Ireland, and every time I hear an American spout ethnic slurs, I am happy that I have an Irish passport I can use when I want.

Even used in jest, the use of comments based on anythng other than individual experiences with other people is just ignorant, and demeans yourself more than the culture you are insulting.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Please keep people who feel the need to promote their country of origin by putting down the cultures or countries' of others away from the forums. This is a game that has appeal for a large group of clientele, and that's a good thing. Exposing yourself to other cultures is a good thing (unless by exposing you're thinking of flashing, in which case exposing yourself to other cultures will probably get you arrested, or cost you money with some shady people...)

[Panerdar]

Yes, very nice step. :dance: :clap:

[portola]

Well spoken, Serpico. I absolutley agree.

[hakansherif]

Well spoken, Serpico. I absolutley agree.
/applaud.

[kinudig]

I'm glad to see that this matter is being handled.

And I'm really glad that a guy named "Serpico" did the handling. :D

[Kahlotus]

We have seen racial attacks in several threads these last days.

Wether the targets are american, French, chinese or others, it won't be tolerated.

We are all players - different colours, different nationalities - one and the same community.

Moreover many players wrote to us, mods, complaining about that.

As such, please know that all racist attacks will be dealt with maximum severity.

This sticky makes it official.

Regards,

Serpico.


While I applaud and for the most part agree with the sentiment, I can't help but wonder why you did not capitalize the words "American" and "Chinese", but did capitalize the word "French"... I'm sure no disrespect was intended, right? ;)

Obviously I don't think Serpico means anything by this. But it does point out how someone could be insulted by the simplest of mistakes or misunderstandings. I do hope that this newly "official" policy (which is really only being polite to one another) doesn't take us down the slippery slope of censorship... Though if this forum was a city, it would look like any of the cities bombed in WW2 due to all the F-bombs I see dropped on this board, so I don't think we have to worry too much. ;)

[Zorbane]

While its nice its happening now,

why wasn't it done before?

[Pjurre]

we did, but now everyone has this warning as well.

[Zorbane]

we did, but now everyone has this warning as well.

Makes sense :)
Hopefully we'll have some more constructive threads/posts now ;)

[Melpomene]

Thank God.

This was getting totally out of hand - better late than never.

Good call AD.

Edit* Fixed...

[Zorbane]

Thank God.

This was getting totally out of hand - better late than never.

Good call Farlan.


You mean AD

[Pjurre]

You mean AD
haha

touche;)

[Serpico]

While I applaud and for the most part agree with the sentiment, I can't help but wonder why you did not capitalize the words "American" and "Chinese", but did capitalize the word "French"... I'm sure no disrespect was intended, right?

* Much of a mispelling :)
I originally wrote "targeting Americans, Frenchs, Chineses".
Corrected right after.
Your capital letter is off. No nationality is privileged over the other

[Maleki Danta]

/salute!

[HighandMighty]

While I applaud and for the most part agree with the sentiment, I can't help but wonder why you did not capitalize the words "American" and "Chinese", but did capitalize the word "French"... I'm sure no disrespect was intended, right? ;)

Obviously I don't think Serpico means anything by this. But it does point out how someone could be insulted by the simplest of mistakes or misunderstandings. I do hope that this newly "official" policy (which is really only being polite to one another) doesn't take us down the slippery slope of censorship... Though if this forum was a city, it would look like any of the cities bombed in WW2 due to all the F-bombs I see dropped on this board, so I don't think we have to worry too much. ;)


looks like to me he did'nt capitalise anything


Good job Serpico

[nakednfearless]

French is NOT a race.

[Serpico]

French is NOT a race.

Racism includes races AND nationalities.

And you've just won another warning for the double sense of this post.

There won't be another one.

[Koro76]

you might want o check your iRC channel too....i saw quite a bit of that going on there the other day.

[Kahlotus]

looks like to me he did'nt capitalise anything


Good job Serpico

He changed edited his post. You'll see the original one quoted in my post. And of course, I accept (and suspected) Serpico's explaination. I was just trying to make a point. :)

[nakednfearless]

Racism includes races AND nationalities.

And you've just won another warning for the double sense of this post.

There won't be another one.

Serpico, where are you from?

[Slivex]

/cheer

[Drogun]

Just on a side not to everyone,

Have a very Merry Christmas, to those that celebrate it, and all the best to everyone in the new year.

[Cristobal]

To the entire DnL Staff thank you!

[alwayshuntress]

I'm very glad the moderators are taking action on this. I'm a citizen of both America and Ireland, and every time I hear an American spout ethnic slurs, I am happy that I have an Irish passport I can use when I want.


I hear slurs on both sides of the fence. From Europeans, Americans and so on down the line. Many people seem to think their race or cutural affiliation makes them better than someone else....OR they denegrate thier own race or culture and call themselves "enlightened"

personally I'm just sick of the hate. I'm glad it's being checked.

[chillx]

While its nice its happening now,

why wasn't it done before?

I agree, I am pleased something is being done, but Its been a long time coming to kick these racist bigots from the forums.

[Ashihara]

I agree, I am pleased something is being done, but Its been a long time coming to kick these racist bigots from the forums.

We are all waiting to play a game with it's own sectarian tensions. It's Human nature and we all discriminate in one way or another. I'm not going to insult your intelligence and spell it out for you (History, Nature, modern day studies such as the Stanford Experiment), but it's pretty much the way we are and what we do, it's instinctive and primal and is present in all religions and races.

When people stop making excuses for what we are, and start to openly discuss why we do what we do, then maybe something will be set in motion to change our ways.

[chillx]

We are all waiting to play a game with it's own sectarian tensions. It's Human nature and we all discriminate in one way or another. I'm not going to insult your intelligence and spell it out for you (History, Nature, modern day studies such as the Stanford Experiment), but it's pretty much the way we are and what we do, it's instinctive and primal and is present in all religions and races.

When people stop making excuses for what we are, and start to openly discuss why we do what we do, then maybe something will be set in motion to change our ways.

Well i am glad you didnt insult my intelligence and spell out to me why there is racism in abundance. I fully disagree with you when you state that racism stems from human nature, you are implying that it is in all of us. Racism stems from instances and/or teachings at an early age, NO ONE IS BORN RACIST.

Put 20 3 - 5 year olds, of different colours, nationalities, religions etc in a room and within and hour or so you will see a room of happy children playing with each other. One of the most basic primal human instincts is to be part of a pack regardless of the race of that pack. Test have also shown that you could put a group of children together who all speak different languages to each other, with the same results, after a short time span they all ended up playing together. Racism is introduced to us at a much later lvl through our teachings/peers but please remember it is not instinct that leads to racism it is ignorance.

I am a white, fully abled European, also ex-serviceman and have never been the victim of racism, but none the less I am fully aware that it exists, There are a lot of younger people who read these forums and if they see racism being used in abundance within these forums then they believe it to be the normal behaviour of society. Being told that it is natural instinct that makes them racist, gives them all the reason they need to continue. It will take a massive concerted effort from everybody to rid society of this racist blight, sadly i do not see it being ridded within my life span (42 now).

I applaud any effort to combat racism, (regardless of how late that effort is) and for my part I will report every single racist comment I see within these forums, If everyone did the same then maybe these forums would become welcoming to everybody, Regardless of their origins.

[timikoy]

Are we allowed to attacked our own nationality? It's the only one I have ample experience to do so... Would if help if I called it cynicism rather than racism?

[Knapweed]

Well i am glad you didnt insult my intelligence and spell out to me why there is racism in abundance. I fully disagree with you when you state that racism stems from human nature, you are implying that it is in all of us. Racism stems from instances and/or teachings at an early age, NO ONE IS BORN RACIST.

Put 20 3 - 5 year olds, of different colours, nationalities, religions etc in a room and within and hour or so you will see a room of happy children playing with each other. One of the most basic primal human instincts is to be part of a pack regardless of the race of that pack. Test have also shown that you could put a group of children together who all speak different languages to each other, with the same results, after a short time span they all ended up playing together. Racism is introduced to us at a much later lvl through our teachings/peers but please remember it is not instinct that leads to racism it is ignorance.

I am a white, fully abled European, also ex-serviceman and have never been the victim of racism, but none the less I am fully aware that it exists, There are a lot of younger people who read these forums and if they see racism being used in abundance within these forums then they believe it to be the normal behaviour of society. Being told that it is natural instinct that makes them racist, gives them all the reason they need to continue. It will take a massive concerted effort from everybody to rid society of this racist blight, sadly i do not see it being ridded within my life span (42 now).

I applaud any effort to combat racism, (regardless of how late that effort is) and for my part I will report every single racist comment I see within these forums, If everyone did the same then maybe these forums would become welcoming to everybody, Regardless of their origins.

I don't think the two points are mutually exclusive. The experiment he is quoting demonstrates that people identify very strongly with their own group, and by extrapolation, their own race, religion etc. and conflict is inevitable when these two dissimilar groups are forced together.

Another 'living, real world' example is the Hutu and Tutsi tribes in Africa, who were arbitrarily separated into their tribes by the Belgian colonists on mostly physical characteristics such as height, colour etc. Artificial or not, the conflict between these two has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands. That's pretty strong identification.

I believe he is right, prejudice is innate in our species. You quote quite an idealised anecdote of children but I have also seen the reverse of that coin. I have seen children turn on an individual like a pack of wolves over issues such as: being poor, having some physical characteristic, e.g. sticky out ears, being fat, being short, being tall, wearing different clothes, basically being 'different'. I suspect the attribute had some survival value at some stage in our past but it is now largely redundant.

At this stage in our development as a species, I believe we have to make a conscious effort to overcome innate drives that prove harmful to our species as a whole. I feel strongly that racism should be the first to go with religious intolerance being a close second.

Racism can be very subtle, but damaging nonetheless; it's only if you believe it to be innate that you remain dilligent in fighting it in yourself.

[Boba Fettish]

I agree, I am pleased something is being done, but Its been a long time coming to kick these racist bigots from the forums.
Thing is. Everyone who Says Racist Biggot is really only refering to one race, which in its self is a little racist.

The big problem on these & other boards is though, that racism is looked at as a 1 way street, when it should go both ways.

Being able to read Chinese, Japanese & a few other languages fluantly, I have seen some pretty nasty stuff directed at Westrners / Caucasions, that has been allowed to continue un-checked.

So I just would like to know "and I'm not trying to be a smartarse here". But why do we get slapped for making remarks & not them? I'm not saying we don't deserve it, any "all" racist slur should be punished including those directed at Caucasions or Westerners.

But, areDerogative remarks aimed at Wetserners / Caucasions, acctually considered racist or Biggoted though?

[chillx]

Thing is. Everyone who Says Racist Biggot is really only refering to one race, which in its self is a little racist.

The big problem on these & other boards is though, that racism is looked at as a 1 way street, when it should go both ways.

Being able to read Chinese, Japanese & a few other languages fluantly, I have seen some pretty nasty stuff directed at Westrners / Caucasions, that has been allowed to continue un-checked.

So I just would like to know "and I'm not trying to be a smartarse here". But why do we get slapped for making remarks & not them? I'm not saying we don't deserve it, any "all" racist slur should be punished including those directed at Caucasions or Westerners.

But, areDerogative remarks aimed at Wetserners / Caucasions, acctually considered racist or Biggoted though?

The original post made by Serpico was directed at these forums, it was to try to stamp out racism on these boards and I for one am sure that if he had control over these other forums on other sites then he would attempt to stamp that out also.

You ask if derogative remarks aimed at westerners and/or caucassions is racist. You are obviously intelligent and know the answer to that one, so i am a little surprised you asked the question!!

I dont quite understand what you are trying to say in your opening statement in this thread when you say


Thing is. Everyone who Says Racist Biggot is really only refering to one race, which in its self is a little racist.

Could you kindly clarify what it is you are saying here. I only hope that you are not calling me or implying that i am in any way a racist, with your post littered with "them and us" statements I sense a tremendously strong rooted resentment on your part, to either this forum message or a genuine attempt from the original poster to clean up these forums.

[jaxyn]

The original post made by Serpico was directed at these forums, it was to try to stamp out racism on these boards and I for one am sure that if he had control over these other forums on other sites then he would attempt to stamp that out also.

You ask if derogative remarks aimed at westerners and/or caucassions is racist. You are obviously intelligent and know the answer to that one, so i am a little surprised you asked the question!!

I dont quite understand what you are trying to say in your opening statement in this thread when you say


Thing is. Everyone who Says Racist Biggot is really only refering to one race, which in its self is a little racist.

Could you kindly clarify what it is you are saying here. I only hope that you are not calling me or implying that i am in any way a racist, with your post littered with "them and us" statements I sense a tremendously strong rooted resentment on your part, to either this forum message or a genuine attempt from the original poster to clean up these forums.

I believe what he is attempting to allude to is the general sense of society to make up for past racism by employing racism agianst the past offenders, perfect examples being Affirmative action programs in the USA that grant special allocations for being a minority such as African American, or female. While in turn these actions simply are racist at their core because they exclude caucasians. In reality all things should be based solely on merit, i'm tired however of being called a racist when i point out this point, simply because i am a scots-irish american from the South.

[razmataz]

I believe what he is attempting to allude to is the general sense of society to make up for past racism by employing racism agianst the past offenders, perfect examples being Affirmative action programs in the USA that grant special allocations for being a minority such as African American, or female. While in turn these actions simply are racist at their core because they exclude caucasians. In reality all things should be based solely on merit, i'm tired however of being called a racist when i point out this point, simply because i am a scots-irish american from the South.


There in lies the problem, how Do you Define Racism. There are many levels of discrimination. By the sounds of it, those programs are doing just that.

If im caucasion an poor or Afro Caribean and poor. Then we are both poor.

My opinion is If you claim peoples actions are dictated by the the colour of there skin or what part of the world there from In my opinion you are racist.
This applys to anyone from anywhere.

Simplistic.... Maybe but its sums up my feelings on this subject.
You have just goto take people as you find them, we are all individuals.
The sooner we get that threw our heads, maybe the better this mud ball orbiting the sun will be to live on :)

[evi]

I believe what he is attempting to allude to is the general sense of society to make up for past racism by employing racism agianst the past offenders, perfect examples being Affirmative action programs in the USA that grant special allocations for being a minority such as African American, or female. While in turn these actions simply are racist at their core because they exclude caucasians. In reality all things should be based solely on merit, i'm tired however of being called a racist when i point out this point, simply because i am a scots-irish american from the South.
That is a touchy subject. I believe you'll just have to live with the benefits they get simply because payback's a bitch. Sure, it wasn't you. But that's how it goes I guess. Do you know what I'm saying?
It's like people stereotyping me as a Nazi because I'm from Germany. I didn't have anything to do with the Nazis. I hate fascists. Yet I have to live with it and be reminded of it (in some form) almost every day. Is that fair? Hell no.
But payback's a bitch I guess.

People like to stereotype. People like to categorize. And people like to hate.
It is indeed human nature.

[razmataz]

That is a touchy subject. I believe you'll just have to live with the benefits they get simply because payback's a bitch. Sure, it wasn't you. But that's how it goes I guess. Do you know what I'm saying?
It's like people stereotyping me as a Nazi because I'm from Germany. I didn't have anything to do with the Nazis. I hate fascists. Yet I have to live with it and be reminded of it (in some form) almost every day. Is that fair? Hell no.
But payback's a bitch I guess.

People like to stereotype. People like to categorize. And people like to hate.
It is indeed human nature.

All the "pay back" attitude is going to do is breed hatred. A lot of people have said in this post, how they can't see an end to racism. If people are going to continue to judge people for actions Others have done in the past, that happen to have been born in the same country. Or have the same shade of skin. Then it isnt going to end. And thats just sad :(

[Waxwane]

Good solution. I agree with u.

[ozmono]

Races do exisit, differences amogst races goes further than skin color, it can affect tolerance to diseases, almost all physicall attributes ranging from strength to stanima. Their is no point pretending that all races are the same or pretending their are not certain attributes which are common amogst people of the same race. I do believe the human species as a whole experiences a constant evolution to there personality and believe experiences in life shape someones personality more than genetics. However genetics contribute and hundreds of thousands of years of seperate evolution is bound to create some fairly substanial differences. However by no means does this make any race superior to another even if one race was stronger, lived longer, more intelligent, more attractive or possed higher attributes in regards to every skill(which none do) could you say one life is worth more than another.

Nationalities Nationalities have more of an impact upon someone than race does. Growing up in different conditions will expose you to different things. It is no coincidence that countries have their own languages, religion, music, other arts, architecture, customs etc or in other words there own culture. However globalisation is doing away with the different cultural identies in the world but again this in no way makes another person superior to any other.

But above all a human life is so dymanic and unique that no one person will be exactly the same as another person and no one person can be judged by such broad catergorisations, understanding a idividual(despite race or nationality) is not so easy.

In short, censor offensive racist comments if you feel you must but don't censor facts
French is NOT a race.Racism includes races AND nationalities.

And you've just won another warning for the double sense of this post.

There won't be another one.
I hope he wasn't banned(as I notice he is) because of his comments on this thread

[darkeningmoon]

yea i hope he isn't banned also

[Serpico]

He was banned for other reasons, after having received several warnings

[MrDDT]

Since this is pretty much an open topic here on racial assertion, I figured I would post my thoughts on it.

Anyone that gets upset about what someone is saying over the internet needs to look inside themselves and find out why they are getting upset.

Dunno about most people but you can call me anything you want and say anything you want. Its not going to effect me.

Having said that, I think its good that the Staff has posted this out as a warning just so people dont try to hurt other peoples feelings.

[Osiloa]

I hope all Racism will be dealt with on these boards. I am a person that does not look at race/nationality/ethnicity but I have seen Slurs posted against us americans just as I have seen americans throw slurs against people of other countries.It is a 2 way street.I have been called names from people on SWG just cause I am American, when I did absolutely nothing to them and by the way these people that called me names ,just because I was American, always seemed to be french, why? I have no idea. I have many nationalities in my geneology I am Italian,German,French, Irish, Scottish and Welsh.PLease don't hate me just because I am American.HEck in the game Star wars galaxies my characters husband in real life is from Denmark. :D

[Axil]

Racism includes races AND nationalities.

And you've just won another warning for the double sense of this post.

There won't be another one.

I relize this post is a few months old now, but as an individual who's had to deal with racism on a personal level, i very much take offense to this statment. Racism does not include nationalities, this is an outright falsehood and i hope this moderator was spoken to about it.

Racism according to the American Heritage dictionary:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race

and from Merriam-Webster:

1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2. racial prejudice or discrimination

It's outrageous that someone received a warning for bringing what i hope was just a gross mistake to your attention. While i'm not aware of the specifics as to why he was banned, if this post played any part in the desision i hope the mod staff is thoroughly ashamed of themselves... i'd also exspect an apology, and am dismayed the community has apparently went four months without one.

[Pjurre]

i believe what he meant was that neither of those kind of generalizations are allowed on these boards, cause youre right, generalizations based on country isnt racism, even if there are some similarities between the two. :)

[Axil]

i believe what he meant was that neither of those kind of generalizations are allowed on these boards, cause youre right, generalizations based on country isnt racism, even if there are some similarities between the two. :)
were that the case, i fail to see how he justifies threatening the member that first corrected him..

[chillx]

were that the case, i fail to see how he justifies threatening the member that first corrected him..

And I fail to see what this has to do with the original post.

[neorapsta]

Thing is if you want to be pedantic, every region has different climatic/physical conditions, which unfluence genetics over time. This is why you normally find certain genetic traits that are more common in certain countries or regions.

The difference between the two is one is based on genetic, the other just on the region.

Thing is nationality and race can be used interchangably for the above reason.

The only problem is you can't be sure of the intentions of the original post, which highlights the main problem with text, you need to be more descriptive of your actual meaning. Simply adding 'it's a nationality' or something similar would have made a whole difference instead of an ambiguous reference.

[Axil]

Thing is if you want to be pedantic, every region has different climatic/physical conditions, which unfluence genetics over time. This is why you normally find certain genetic traits that are more common in certain countries or regions.

The difference between the two is one is based on genetic, the other just on the region.

Thing is nationality and race can be used interchangably for the above reason.

The only problem is you can't be sure of the intentions of the original post, which highlights the main problem with text, you need to be more descriptive of your actual meaning. Simply adding 'it's a nationality' or something similar would have made a whole difference instead of an ambiguous reference.

This might be true if regions had static populations that never moved. However, it's quite possible for someone to move from say Cuba to France, and gain citizenship, or have a child who becomes a citizen and has none of the racial charecteristics one might exspect of a Frenchman. For this reason Nationality can *not* be used interchangably with race, and to define racism to include nationalities dilutes and thus weakens the meaning. It's akin to those who would try to assert chauvinism is akin to raping a woman socially. This sort of broadening of the definition is insulting to those women who have actually suffered from rape. No one is encouraging bigotry on the basis of nationality, but that does not make it appropriate to misdefine racism when it suits your purposes.

As far as the "original post" i believe you're referring to the first poster who pointed out you were using racism improperly. The was no vagueness, in his post. Any doubt as to his intentions likely stemmed from the moderators embarressment/anger at being corrected. Not only was he treated unkindly for it, the post remains unedited of it's mistake!

[Serpico]

As far as the "original post" i believe you're referring to the first poster who pointed out you were using racism improperly. The was no vagueness, in his post. Any doubt as to his intentions likely stemmed from the moderators embarressment/anger at being corrected. Not only was he treated unkindly for it, the post remains unedited of it's mistake!

Axil, I noticed several posts where you criticises moderator actions in public - which is not allowed by the forum rules, as it tends more to create flame war.

Not only did you make a mistake with the current analysis - we already debated about nationalism / racism when the subject came up - but moderator actions are not to be discussed in public, only by PM.

Also most of your topics are more incitating to flame than anything..

I strongly advise you to read again the forum rules and to comply with them.

Moderators are available for you to discuss moderation if you wish, using PM.

[Axil]

Axil, I noticed several posts where you criticises moderator actions in public - which is not allowed by the forum rules, as it tends more to create flame war.

Not only did you make a mistake with the current analysis - we already debated about nationalism / racism when the subject came up - but moderator actions are not to be discussed in public, only by PM.

Also most of your topics are more incitating to flame than anything..

I strongly advise you to read again the forum rules and to comply with them.

Moderators are available for you to discuss moderation if you wish, using PM.

This isn't a moderation issue. And if it were, then every single post in this thread including yours would violate the rule you believe you are enforcing. This is a policy change/statement. And the thread was left open for presumably so people could comment on said statement. You have three full pages of feedback and you waited until i posted to decide discussing the content of this post was a breach of the CoC? I fail to see how this could be seen as anything other than a personal attack. I strongly advise you to read again the forum rules and to comply with them.

Furthermore you failed at address my point... I've already shown the difference between nationalism and racism.

[Serpico]

Axil, to make it clear :

- No one has been banned just for stating differences between nationalism / racism.

- You've already been warned several time about discussing moderation in public, as it can start useless flames and debates - we're available to talk in private, which you did not do.

- Despite all the explanation that we gave you , you seem to be absolutely sure of your analysis and not opened to discussion.

- To make it clear : what is not allowed within this forum is attacks against races AND nationalities. It has been *already* stated in PM, on other threads, on this thread itself at the time. It's not only a question of tolerance towards other users - other people - but also a question of respect. This matter is still taken most seriously, and I can tell you the community agrees with that.

Now I consider there are differences between stating an opinion, and forcing it on the forum, in several threads, using flaming, despite being reminded to read the forum rules and several warnings.

Also for this :

I strongly advise you to read again the forum rules and to comply with them.

I give you a new warning which, added to all the ones you collected for your behaviour over the last month, induce a one week ban.

I *strongly * suggest you learn the sense of words politness and courtesy. You should find them in your Webster dictionnary.

Regards,

Serpico.

[Serpico]

Feeling there is nothing to add and due to user demand, I lock this thread.

I can open it again upon request, if someone wish to add something on the initial subject.

The initial warning regarding racism and nationality attacks remains of course valid.

Regards,

Serpico