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Old 09-13-2005, 09:05 PM
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Lightbulb Want to know more about Dark and Light? (Updated)

Here is a way to track my updates...everytime I update the page with new content you get a new dancing smilely...
Updates:

BIG NEWS on 12/8 10,000 free keys will be released to the public...Get um while they are hot!!

BIG NEWS, OPEN STRESS TESTS TO COME!! Here it is November 8th and I haven't seen much in the way of open stress tests, I think they will release SoG before we see the open release of stress tests.
MORE BIG NEWS, SETTLERS OF GANARETH ANNOUNCED (MORE INFO AT THE END OF THIS PAGE)

I have attempted to make the best quick referance post to get right to the meat of what DnL is and what makes it different. I tried to touch on a lot of different things. I wrote some but I also gleened information from other places (thanks everyone!!).... You will also notice that I referance DAoC a lot as thats where I have played the most.
Please keep in mind that there is a lot more to DnL then what I have posted here, much of it to be found on Stratics, here . I was hoping to bring a lot of information into one easy to read place if you have any questions please ask in the forum!
Don't thank me for writing most of this, thank me for collecting and putting it all in one place

Also, check out the DnL codex. This is a pretty exhaustive resource of all things DnL.

If you wanna take this to forums elsewhere and repost feel free (better link it though cuz the Links will be lost)...Note, stuff in wheat is cut and pasted straight from the DnL FAQ.

  • Only one server that supports 100,000 players (Note that a parallel server will be set up for China, Taiwan and Hong Kong, developed by Snailgame, under NP3 control, with specific rules, content and quests. But the main DnL server will be available to everyone.)
  • 20 times the size of the largest current game SWG (though Irth online and WWII online will both come close) DnL supports 40.000 km² of total surface without zone lines, 24 000 km² of land surface. This is 2/3's the size of West Virgina or twice the size of Massachusetts in land area and 3/4ths the same size as lake Erie in terms of water area. More will come soon after release in the form of dungons and underwater areas. SWG is to date is the largest game with approx 2000sq miles. Here is a visual comparison laid out in squares of recent games Total area comparison of recent games
  • over 4000 fortresses to capture or build (compaired to 18 keeps and about 90 towers in all of DAoC's frontiers combined). I read in one interview that the 4000 keeps will eventually be per kingdom:
    AD: After reading the Questions to Vuuar, it seems the number of fortresses and domains has been decreased. Why?
    Vuuar: The new numbers announced concerning fortresses, counties, duchies etc. are what will be available upon release. This number will increase with time, until we reach the announced number (4095 per kingdom). In order to keep a good RvR challenge, we will adapt the number of fortresses to world density. Read the entire interview from 2005 here.
  • The ability to see up to 30 miles off into the distance, The client displays living elements (characters and NPCs) 500 meters (547 yards) around the character.(DAoC is about 70yds to living elements and 350yds-450yds to the rest of the envirment ** see screen shot in screen shot section below**)
  • 13 kingdoms 10 are open to PvP (similar to DAoC's frontiers) and 3 are safe (similar to DAoC's realms). Each kingdom is probaly the same size as all of DAoC.
  • Fantasic in game music (you can DL here , here , here and here four differnt samples.
  • Dynamic weather system (trees blow in the wind, sand storms, blizzards, rain, lightning)...Snow is not just a texture on the ground, it accumulates and buries stuff. You have to walk through it, not on it.
  • Mountains are thousands of feet high
  • No zone walls on land
  • Entirely dedicated to evolve according to gamers in-game decisions and strategies: DnL game rules will allow gamers to manage their own DnL storyline, create their own events to set their plans of conquest or fortresses attacks.
  • No paralyze, stuns, mezz....Though you will have root (PvP only, in PvE you will have all)
  • Druids can control the weather
  • Fantastic vertical element. Mountains are thousands of feet high
  • Many differnt typs of mounts
  • GM's can interact with the game and drive events
  • 100 fighting levels and 100 social levels (you can do one or the other or both)
  • Belonging to a guild acctually means somthing
  • There is some risk involved in dying (you can be looted for the money on you, butyou can bank to keep safe. You drop your items, but they cannot be looted and they will come back to you if you dont get them, eventually. How long depends on your level)
  • Keep defenses are unique (too much to explain here)
  • balance issues are minimized because both sides can play the same clesses, though each side has acsess to 2 exclusive races.
  • Will there be instancing? Here is what the FAQ says about that;
    No, this doesn't match our vision of online games. This is why our network conception allows us to regroup all players in the same world. When one of your friends plays DnL, you will always be able to meet him/her in game! Provided he/she shares your alignment, of course.
  • Its possible to be wanted and or hunt wanted players, (from the faq):
    If you act against the code of honor repeatedly, your faction in a barony may decrease. When you have lost enough faction, you become wanted, and the other players may hunt you down for a reward. Guards from the opposite faction will attack you on sight. In some cases, you can even have a wanted status outside your own barony. The most wanted players can have this status at the scale of a county, duchy, kingdom, or even the whole game.
  • Become a Lord and manage your own city
  • (this has been removed from game for now, not sure if they plan on trying to reimplement this) When you LD (get disconnected) your character continues to fight and defend based on a preset preference. Your character can say in game after you log out to trade. Dark bad and Light good? Read about it here.



Here is a little write up on the DnL Philosophy



Classes
Fighters

- Warrior
- Archer/ Amazon
- Palidin
- Dark Knight

Healers

- Cleric
- Monk
- Druid
- Enchanter

Spellcasters

- Necomancer
- Scorcerer
- Illusionist
- Shaman

Hunters

- Ranger
- Thief/ Rogue
- Bard
- Barbarian

Only 14 classes are available at start, Shaman and Barbarian are available through epic quests after release.

Skills for each class are divided into three axies, each one showing a way of playing the said class.

At level 35, the character gets a new sheet of unique skills, specific to the class (as opposed to the previous sheet and the skills some other classes may use).

At level 50, the character gets the last specialization sheet: these are research skills that may be obtained through quests for instance.


The highest level in SxP (social exp) and FxP (fighting EXP) stops at level 100.

You may spend up to 20 points in one single skill. You may go above this limit thanks to quests. Spending more points in a skill allows you to unlock new aspects, more powerful aspects of this skill. Spending points above 20 allows you to increase skill parameters (maximal damage, range, etc.). Skills require training that alters the parameters of associated spells, such as minimal damage for special attacks, for instance. In order to train, you need to succeed. Once you reach 100% of success, you may increase the value up to 200%: this additional training allows you to increase spell statistics even more, but you may lose these points if you do not practice for a long time.

A series of class sheets will be gradually released on the official website.
Races

Im not going to spend a lot of time on the races, stratistics does a great job here. and here.


So now you know about some of the features on paper, but what does it look like?? I've taken some time to put together a nice little slice of some of the neat videos and screenshots. Enjoy....


Ill take the time to show you some cool stuff......

Videos
(if you have any trouble looking at vids or the music files below because you need codecs or windowz media player sucks check this out, I highly recomend it...Ace mega codecs pack (Pay attention to the dialog while your installing or it will do a virus check of your PC, also make sure you choose what codecs you want, I chose all)

Nice tour of the world
Here is a nice example of the dynamic enviorment
Snowboaring on a shield? Awesome!
Want to fly a dragon to 14,000ft? What heppens when you jump off?

Here is a time lapse pic of the four seasons

Here are the other 20 vids on the page these came from. KEEP IN MIND that a lot of these vids are early beta and don't represent the world as it is now. There was a GFX engine upgrade on August 9th of '05 and I don't believe that any of these vids are with the upgraded engine. Check um out here

Screen shots

here is a DAoC screen shot to compair too....Notice how you cant see very far even on a clear day (with all graphics options on - Ath64 3500, Nvid 6800gt, 1 gig ram)

Check this out....here are two screen shots, one in the real world, here , and now the same location "In game" here . This shows that that the terrian in game is not simply randomly generated. This pic seeems to prove that the terrain comes from the planet we live on!

Here is the DnL Screenies.... =Updated GFX engine

Another shot with water, notice the line between shore and water isen't noticable Pre GFX upgrade
Nice in game shot Pre GFX upgrade
Apparently the moon i this world is broken.... Pre GFX upgrade
Here are some close ups of toons in armor Pre GFX upgrade
In a city
? Forest City
Human? face up close
Lightning! Pre GFX upgrade
Forest Pre GFX upgrade
Sunset Pre GFX upgrade
Female human? Closeup, I think she is Dark Pre GFX upgrade
Here is an example of the expansive view Pre GFX upgrade
The dead half burried in the snow
Night Time Pre GFX upgrade
Large Battle Pre GFX upgrade
Skeletons anyone? Pre GFX upgrade
Chick and her pet, dragon... Pre GFX upgrade
Paradise Pre GFX upgrade
Nice close up of armor, you can see the UI as well. Pre GFX upgrade
Close up of caster
This is the best up close shot of any toon I have seen yet, must see...



Well here it is November the month that most of us have egerly been awating. SoG has been announced and here is what I know (or at least I think I know
  • SoG is not beta
  • SoG will be free
  • You will need to pay for a key and/or box set and a monthly fee to play DnL
  • You will be able to pre order a licence key for DnL and that key will come with some benifits in SoG and DnL
  • There has never been a release date, only a release month (EDIT the release date for SoG is 12/8)
  • SoG is supposed to release in November and DnL will release in April as a boxed set.



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Old 09-13-2005, 09:10 PM
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Someone finally caught on what it means to be active in the community =p well done.
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Old 09-13-2005, 09:14 PM
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Very informative post bud! I hope you will continue to update this as more information becomes available.
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Old 09-13-2005, 09:16 PM
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Sticky!!!
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:51 PM
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Damn good post!

Two thumbs up!
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:54 PM
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Terrific post Talinguard - I have been lurking for a long time but this is the first time I have felt compelled to reply. Thanks for all the effort that went into that post.

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Old 09-13-2005, 11:05 PM
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Very nice post. I didn't know to much about the game and I didn't feel like going through everything to get an idea of the game. This helped me a lot. Ty.
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:08 PM
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Very nice post thanks "for putting it all in one place".

But I have a question, thats the first time ive heard the music, so is it confirmed that that is in game music? I like it but I can't really picture it in a MMO...but mabey DNL can pull it off
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:16 PM
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nice addition to the FAQ, this is one of the best post ever.
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Just send people to DnL Stratics. Some say, we have more info than the official site, for a reason
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:58 PM
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I think he just stole your thunder Inferno.

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if it doesnt get stickied we can try to keep it bumped
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It doesn't need to be stickied. There are plenty stickies already which link to all sorts of info. You can get all of the original post at DnL Stratics aswell, so sticking it here is not really needed. People just need to know where to look
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:14 AM
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Thanks all,

I think the point of all of this was to put a ton of info in one place. Those that want to share what DnL is about can link to this and hopfully give the uninformed a 5 min read and get them interested.

Stratics is definitly a great place for info, as a lot of the stuff here links to it. Two thumbs up to Stratics (and Inforno, I'm assuming that you had a hand in all that) for the great info there.
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Quote:
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Very nice post thanks "for putting it all in one place".

But I have a question, thats the first time ive heard the music, so is it confirmed that that is in game music? I like it but I can't really picture it in a MMO...but mabey DNL can pull it off


Im pretty sure its official music, and if you watch the vid with the dood jumping off the dragon and skydiving I'm pretty sure thats in game music too...? If it is it sounds great to me...!
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You could say that I had a hand ... or two... in that
If you want too, we have two news reporter positions open right now Being news reporter at DnL Stratics may or may not include beta access... I'll think about that.
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Old 09-14-2005, 12:34 AM
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You could say that I had a hand ... or two... in that
If you want too, we have two news reporter positions open right now Being news reporter at DnL Stratics may or may not include beta access... I'll think about that.


If I were interested can we assume that my post here gives you an idea of what m capable of?

Let me know what you need...
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Very nice post. I didn't know to much about the game and I didn't feel like going through everything to get an idea of the game. This helped me a lot. Ty.


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Amazing compilation, I hadn't heard the music before, sounds great!
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Well, since everyone congratulated you properly, I'll play the devils advocate to act nasty.

First of all, you lack info. There's nothing about Gods interventions, mana fountains, proffessions, housing, nobility titles, innovative economy through taxation, terain and weather effects on skills/spells/crafting and nothing about transportations. There are also many statements of a vague nature that rely on hear-say only.

If you are so confident you can gain attention by making such a list, at least do it properly. Claiming your own sticky and telling us we should thank you for gathering all this, doesn't exactly hide your intentions.

(if I'm too cruel stop me)

I read your post and the idea I got was that a very enthusiastic boy is relating info to his pal to get his interest. This is nice actually, it shows willingness and excitement about being part of DNL and its community.
However, there are more resources to be found than DNL Stratics and DNL OFFICIAL Dev-chats and stickies are still the best.
I get the feelling that someone reading your post will have no need to investigate further or read up the actual AD announcements and I find it careless and -maybe- dangerous.
Many people heard it all before and they might not be as impressed as you are. Many people will think your shortcommings as actual game flaws.
For instance, the map of Ganareth has been around in circulation for some time now and however unofficial, I can bet your depiction in squares with maps from other games isn't acurate. It lacks scale.

I'm sure I'll be flamed for my share, but if you really want to help newcomers (as I believe you do) you should work on it more. Starting by official announcements of features and devchats like this

/nemesis mode off

All in all I agree with 1 poster.. "someone who posts in a constructive manner on the forums".
I do aplause the effort, it's the outcome I critisize...
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Awesome post. Great info, as a die hard Daoc'er who has been playing it since beta , this thread was exactly the type of information I was looking for.Thanks for the great post.
 


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