I was just wondering if there will be a chance to create a warrior druid type. I have tried many games of this type, and looked at many upcoming ones, and i am disatisfied with alot of the druids in each. Developers seem to want them to be pure healers, or pure magic based. i dont know if anyone has ever read the Shannara series by Terry Brooks, but the druids in his books were not. Also, from looking at who can be druids, this is the only mmo i have seen that allows more then 1 group to be druids so i am hopeful a warrier druid hybrid can be made. If any one has any info please dont hesitate to tell me :)

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To me Druid strives to keep the balance and harmony of nature. Being Warrior/Druid, seems to go against what a Druid stands for.

But since Dnl clearly has two sides, I should think that a Druid would be able to hold his/her own in battle.

I have searched high and low, for information on any class and I just can not find any info.

So until the devs release more info, we will just have to guess.

But IMHO I totaly disagree with a druid being able to use any warrior skills. They should use nature spells and pets to do their damage.

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i can respect that, seeing as most people choose the druid way because they like to use the elements that the druids command, or the magic they have studied and mastered, i didnt mean it to be full on, join the army druid, just if there was a situation where magic alone would not help, being able to wield a giant broadsword would be an advantage in my opinion. I too have looked for classes with info on the druid way, but have also failed to find any for dark and light at least.

Well as we do not have the full lore on druids, i can realy only go on my concept of druids.

I should think a Druid would sooner die than use an edged weapon. Clubs and staffs are usaly the norm.

As Druid they should respect all life, at least *light*. now as Bluenose mentiond a Dark Druid, that should open up a few dark things.

But IMHO, a druid should never be able to use an edged weapon.

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well.....druids....
the ceremonial weaponry of druids was consisted of two weapons primary ...the sickle...and the scimitar.
the only metal objects that they were allowed to touch.they were combat oriented allot.Furthermore there are stories about druids being leaders of small war bands in heavy forested areas.

The problem here is class balancing. Yes, it would be very cool to have warrior druids, but it would infringe on the roles of other classes, in this case the Ranger. Personally, I hope that Rangers are not pigeon-holed into a rogue-archer only role, but rather a varied one that could include all walks of a "Nature Warrior"'s life, so hopefully, your warrior druid will be the Ranger. If all classes had the abilities of another class, there wouldn't be any reason for classes in the first place.

Now, as for druids being wimps that can only use magic, I heavily disagree with this. They should be able to use some kind of physical weapon to some extent, not equal to the mastery of a warrior, but certainly greater than the strength of a mage - druids don't spend all their time indoors reading scrolls and books. But the strength of Druids should lie in their affinity and cooperation with nature; controlling the weather, calling animals, and using the elements.

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Druids are the watchers of the forests, the nurturers of new life, the connection between man and beast. Typically, Druids have remained in a sort of healer/mage hybrid, with the ability to weild a weapon decently should the need arive. They are a very special and original class, using both the life and rebirth of nature to heal their allies wounds, and using the wrath of nature to being doom upon their foes. In such a way, if mastery of a weapon were to be included, the Druids would become the jack of all trades, and the master of none.

I should think if you are seeking a more warrior like druid, that you would be asking for a Ranger - a warrior-druid mix. Rangers are typically dexterous fighters that, later in their life, begin to exercise their Druidic spells. While these spells will never be as potent as a true Druid's, it does serve the Ranger well.

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u said it ur self " the ability to weild a weapon should the need arise" i just think that if ur in a battle waging between 2 clans, and uv spent all ur manor, and there are enemys near, the abilty to use some sort of sword, be it enchnted or no, would greatly help. I agree they shudnt be masters of the sword, but have the ability to use one, along with their elemental magic and nature manipulations

But in being able to wield a sword, they would a very powerful class. thanks Voronwe i was gonna make balance my next point.

A druid i agree should be stong with certain weapons. Staff and other wood weaponns.


If you give a druid a sword and some good abilities, than there would be little need of pure warriors.

and as siria pointed out, with Druid magic, pets healing and weather. than the druid is already powerful.

lets use a standard druid spell. say creeping vines, well that person is rooted. than you add in the druid pet. now if you can in turn use sword skills. what chance does the other perosn have?

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thats a very good point, and i dont have an answer to that...lol...i just thought a druid and a sword wud be a good mix,but i see ur point of view from a balancing perspective. very well i give in, for a game, it wud be slightly unfair to give a druid a sword

Hmm i agree. To expand on this, it annoys me greatly how warriors/fighters etc n many games are the only class to have any amount of melee skills. Although i agree they should have the most, others should at least have the ability to swing a sword. (:P As long as theyre not 3 inches tall)

I also notice on many games druids are highly underpowered. Sometimes they can conjour a few animals or call down a lightning bolt. When i think of druids, i think of levelling mountains, turning landscapes to stone.

-Hyp

Edit - Sry shuda read all replies. I think warriors/fighters would still be a good alternative even if you gave the druid a howitzer. People enjoy delivering powerful axe blows with all manner of weapon spinning techniques :P

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a ranger is a tracher stealther warrior with a limited access to nature magic...

i dont see why a druid using an edged weapon endanger his existance and uniqueness
...rangers have no weapon limitations ...

it is true warrior/fighter classes can use alot of weapons, however it is becuase that is what they rely upon. i just think using magic to ai in the use of melee weapons, such as an axe for dwarves, or a broaadsword for trolls and humans, wud be a interesting endever to pursue a character progression in. the ability to use elemetal magic i agree is a very powerful weapon to use, but take ultima online for example, i became a wizard, and i still used a sword, and the sword helped me when the magic failed me, either because i ran out of manor, or i didnt have the required spell, or a creature was invulnerable to a spell. the sword and the staff together were what saved me on numerous occasions, although granted i used the magic more!

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Steriotypically, any sort of holyman (Prime example - a priest) use staffs or maces. Why? Because (Again stereotypically) they are not allowed to draw blood. However i think if you pummel something to death even with a completely flat object, ur gunna spill some blood in the process :P So it doesnt really make sense, i know.
Also wood is very natural and so for druids especially, they are extremely apt. The use of metal objects could be seen as a lack of faith etc.

I would hope that Druids and the like receive some sort of bonus while using a blunt weapon, whilst the option to use swords and the like is still left open.
However i would think larger weapons such as battle axes and war hammers (o_O Are there war hammers?) would be saved for only characters with a large physical presence.

If the game dictates what your char can wear, it will be very very linear indeed. And will cause gameplay to go very stale, like with many many other RPG's. I hope this fate is avoided.


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i agree with hypomania that the linearage of race/class/weapons are avoided, as other rpgs have failed due to this. however, there are the half trolls in the game, and it specifically says that these physically asserting characters can be druids, leading me to think that this is not the fate for DnL. I am quite pleases with the way the class and race balances have been made, they seem to be very varied. One thing i wud point out to hypomania and others who seem to think druids are holy men. yes they worship nature and the elements, but they are ultimately historians and keepers of lore of the world, and i beleieve they wud do anything to protect that, which would include weilding a sword. they could make it so its easier to "master" so to speak, blunt weapons, but if u work at it hard enough, u can become adequit with any weapon, but thats just an idea used many times in many games...however it seems to work for me. put in the effort to get the reword...

Actually, in many new MMOGs that have been released, (Shadowbane, Horizons, ect) all classes can wield any weapon they desire. However, it is one thing to hold a sword and another to swing it. A mage who has spent his whole life in a library reading scrolls and studying the properties of magic, will likly not have strength enough nor coordination enough to actually hit something when he swings his sword. Normally all magic users have a talent with blunt weapons, but outside of that if you wish to use a sword, perhaps that will be your decision and one that may lead to a gimped druid.

Also, Ranger's are primarily to be the warrior version of druids - not this rogue-ish type that seems to have become the projected idea. Rangers are to Druids as Paladins are to Clerics and Shadow Knights are to Necromancers. All posses some low-level magic abilities from their mage counterparts, as well as a greater melee and general combat abilities.

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well mace ,warhammer, morning star are bludgeoning weapons but as you said in the process blood will be spilled
If someone wants to kill he can do so even with a rock so ...there is no "bad or good" weapons only bad and good intentions.Druids are pacifists but when they or nature are threatened ..they kill without second thought

SirriaCessmera is right about the relationship of druid-ranger but i dont see why there should be applied weapon restrictions to druids for that relationship.oh and a ranger is the rogue of wilderness

You say gimped druid, but that leads me to think that u are stereo-typing druids as old men with a wooden staff, who have spent their lives in isolation studying magic and histories and lore. But to guard these histories, and learn of the new ones that unfold they have to travel the lands. Druids can be young men and women or they can be old, there is no restriction there, and the younger, less experianced druids should not be condemned to practising magic in isolated areas with no contact to the outside.

I'd be surprised if druids were a class worth being since in most games they are not.

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i know theres still a way to go yet, but have u looked on the DnL official site, at the races, and what classes they can be? Because it clearly states in a number of races that that Druid can be a chosen class...and exactly what games are u talking about? Sure they arnt in first person shooters, or tony hawks pro skater 27: the death of tony..however if ur talking about mmos then Horizens, Shadowbane, Ultima Online, and as yet unreleased World of Warcraft, all sport Druid classes,and probably more games i havnt mentioned

[Edited on 28/2/2004 by LastDruid]